Perspective lads ,perspective .Fresh foxes in artificials ,short drains will often bolt before dog has made contact so no achievement for the dog just mild work.We have had them out many a time with drain rods . .Foxes put in drains however can be the real devil incarnate especilly for a killing dog that cant get purchase on the sides to press home .A good strong dog will work,push his fox to the end where it can be dealt with.However, credit to the lads for using the border ,plummers for fox work when its very easy to use a tried and tested black strain .