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.22lr accuracy - paper punching testing
Deker replied to riflehunter583's topic in Rimfire, Centrefire & Shotguns
To be honest I see more than a little justification for that. It seems that riflehunter583 is heading down the path of many a target shooter, looking at as many options as possible and analysing every shot, and often pushing the calibre to limits considered extreme by the hunter. There in nothing wrong with this in principle and every piece of knowledge gained on a range may well have a place in the field, but they are very different places. Shots on the limits of any calibre will always present a mass of problems and variables, barrel temperature, condition, cleanliness, trigger weight -
.22lr accuracy - paper punching testing
Deker replied to riflehunter583's topic in Rimfire, Centrefire & Shotguns
To be honest I see more than a little justification for that. It seems that riflehunter583 is heading down the path of many a target shooter, looking at as many options as possible and analysing every shot, and often pushing the calibre to limits considered extreme by the hunter. There in nothing wrong with this in principle and every piece of knowledge gained on a range may well have a place in the field, but they are very different places. Shots on the limits of any calibre will always present a mass of problems and variables, barrel temperature, condition, cleanliness, trigger weight -
.22lr accuracy - paper punching testing
Deker replied to riflehunter583's topic in Rimfire, Centrefire & Shotguns
Sorry Mr Hooks i didnt see a post where you described transonic prior to my reply but know i have i see it is correct. and Dekers theory is flawed in that all bullets have to slow but not all become unstable. lets not forget the WSSM rounds they are very fast and mostly accurate, You don't have a clue do you! Homework for today. Go and research common CF calibres, such as .223, .243, and .308,and then you come back and tell me why there is generally little problem with the transonic period and these ammos?. As a designer of ammunition for the Special Forces I'm sure that wi -
.22lr accuracy - paper punching testing
Deker replied to riflehunter583's topic in Rimfire, Centrefire & Shotguns
To be honest I see more than a little justification for that. It seems that riflehunter583 is heading down the path of many a target shooter, looking at as many options as possible and analysing every shot, and often pushing the calibre to limits considered extreme by the hunter. There in nothing wrong with this in principle and every piece of knowledge gained on a range may well have a place in the field, but they are very different places. Shots on the limits of any calibre will always present a mass of problems and variables, barrel temperature, condition, cleanliness, trigger weight -
.22lr accuracy - paper punching testing
Deker replied to riflehunter583's topic in Rimfire, Centrefire & Shotguns
i am about 1000 feet above sea level here approx. alot of the subs i fire seems to start to crack a little at my place. but having just looked it up its to do with temp mainly and not sea level. There are many factors that could effect it, but unless height/temperatures are Extreme then they will have negligeable effect, most manufacturers subs are designed to perform somewhat below the speed of sound. My first suggestion would be quality control, it is not at all uncommon for a box of subs to have one or two fast ones, and it the case of my last box of Remington subs it was common -
.22lr accuracy - paper punching testing
Deker replied to riflehunter583's topic in Rimfire, Centrefire & Shotguns
Long range, medium range, short range, round the stables and barns and farmhouse, around the horses/cattle/sheep? Like I say the .17 CF/.204 have their uses, so does the .22lr, HMR, WMR, Hornet, .222, 223, 22-250, .243 etc etc on fox, and many will argue that some of these are even more useful/versatile for Charlie, etc! You need to look at your quarry, land, ability, circumstances, etc and evaluate everything available, and then buy the best percieved tool for the job, for some that will be a .17CF/.204! -
.22lr accuracy - paper punching testing
Deker replied to riflehunter583's topic in Rimfire, Centrefire & Shotguns
how so? price to run? Yep high power? They are not exceptionally powerful, just relatively powerful for the projectile size noise? Yes, but many CF are noisy whats the down side. Generalisations Keeping them sweet, cleaning is essential, ammo costs are silly, they are ammo fussy, so home brews are often the way, you need a LONG barrel to get the best, so they are not the easiest field tools to carry/use, and they are designed essentially for long range varmint use, not something I need to do too often! is it just best to get a HMR and be done with it You can't really comp -
.22lr accuracy - paper punching testing
Deker replied to riflehunter583's topic in Rimfire, Centrefire & Shotguns
Thats an interesting one, but probably not as bad as many may think, how often does the opportunity arise to head shoot a crow at 400 yards :laugh: ? So as long as you don't get into any rapid fire contests, and keep them clean probably not too bad! These are not your daily, run of the mill bunny bashing tools! Thats an interesting one, but probably not as bad as many may think, how often does the opportunity arise to head shoot a crow at 400 yards :laugh: ? So as long as you don't get into any rapid fire contests, and keep them clean probably not too bad! These ar -
.22lr accuracy - paper punching testing
Deker replied to riflehunter583's topic in Rimfire, Centrefire & Shotguns
Thats an interesting one, but probably not as bad as many may think, how often does the opportunity arise to head shoot a crow at 400 yards :laugh: ? So as long as you don't get into any rapid fire contests, and keep them clean probably not too bad! These are not your daily, run of the mill bunny bashing tools! -
.22lr accuracy - paper punching testing
Deker replied to riflehunter583's topic in Rimfire, Centrefire & Shotguns
...and that range is the subsonic/sonic period. transonic definition: adjective designating, of, or moving at a speed within the range of change from subsonic to supersonic speed... :bye: -
.22lr accuracy - paper punching testing
Deker replied to riflehunter583's topic in Rimfire, Centrefire & Shotguns
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.22lr accuracy - paper punching testing
Deker replied to riflehunter583's topic in Rimfire, Centrefire & Shotguns
My .22lr is zeroed for 60 yards and is a dedicated sub sonic tool, it is very rare I would go out to -90 yards with it, shooting well at those distances with one is good going in my book. 100 yards with a HMR is a different matter, that's why I don't use the .22lr at distance generally, this is about the best I have done with the HMR, it was a zeroing session, and I bottled out of the 5th shot! 3 and 4 were only a tiny fraction off being in the same hole! i'm liking this group at 100 yards lads. me gotta get a hmr now!!!!!!!!!! That was a good day, I'd be over the moo -
.22lr accuracy - paper punching testing
Deker replied to riflehunter583's topic in Rimfire, Centrefire & Shotguns
Every time you open your mouth you dig a deeper hole..... What I said was ....Velocitors..... ......they run at 1435 ft sec with 183ft lb at the muzzle and go transonic at just short of 100 yards, therefore stability is debatable. Transonic is the aerodynamic period at or around the speed of sound, that is between sub sonic and supersonic, where on earth do you get this hypersonic gibberish from, and the reason I said just short of 100 yards is because thats when a Velocitor drops to sub sonic from supersonic in the normal course of events, A Velocitor will NEVER go Hypersonic. -
.22lr accuracy - paper punching testing
Deker replied to riflehunter583's topic in Rimfire, Centrefire & Shotguns
My .22lr is zeroed for 60 yards and is a dedicated sub sonic tool, it is very rare I would go out to -90 yards with it, shooting well at those distances with one is good going in my book. 100 yards with a HMR is a different matter, that's why I don't use the .22lr at distance generally, this is about the best I have done with the HMR, it was a zeroing session, and I bottled out of the 5th shot! 3 and 4 were only a tiny fraction off being in the same hole! i'm liking this group at 100 yards lads. me gotta get a hmr now!!!!!!!!!! That was a good day, I'd be over the moo -
.22lr accuracy - paper punching testing
Deker replied to riflehunter583's topic in Rimfire, Centrefire & Shotguns
You really arn't doing yourself any favours and have already wound up a lot of people here, just what is the agenda of richmcgin and rmac? -
I agree entirely for your own tools, I was after a general comparison of the Rimfire rounds!
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.22lr accuracy - paper punching testing
Deker replied to riflehunter583's topic in Rimfire, Centrefire & Shotguns
My .22lr is zeroed for 60 yards and is a dedicated sub sonic tool, it is very rare I would go out to -90 yards with it, shooting well at those distances with one is good going in my book. 100 yards with a HMR is a different matter, that's why I don't use the .22lr at distance generally, this is about the best I have done with the HMR, it was a zeroing session, and I bottled out of the 5th shot! 3 and 4 were only a tiny fraction off being in the same hole! -
Cheers for that! :thumbs: I'm sure someone posted something showing the wind drift of the 4 main rimfire calibres, which I found rather interesting. Perhaps I'm just getting old and forgetful!
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Help please, a year or two back someone posted a chart which showed the comparison with a .22lr, HM2, HMR, WMR both fall and wind drift, can anyone steer me in the direction please, I can't find it. Cheers!
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.22lr accuracy - paper punching testing
Deker replied to riflehunter583's topic in Rimfire, Centrefire & Shotguns
http://www.sportinggun.co.uk/instruction/428384/Which_rimfire_rifle_is_best_for_me.html -
fox with the hmr Sorry guys, this really has wondered off all over the place!
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Mine runs 25-26ft lb, yes, the time of year/temperature does effect it! 23-24 ft lb is a good rating for these , 30ft lb is tops (actually I got mine up to 36ft lb, don't even think about it, every shot was different), and 30ft lb is too high for them, shot count is not good and shot consistancy worse! Mine produces 32 full power shots at 26ft lb and favours AA Field in 5.51 (the 5.52 give about 0.5ft lb less). Bisley Magnums are excellent in mine but still have a bit of an arc, so I stick with the AA!
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Nope, its .22, it's also 26ft lb, that can help a bit! :thumbs: EDIT A LEGAL 26ft lb! :yes:
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Nope, its .22, it's also 26ft lb, that can help a bit! :thumbs:
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.22lr accuracy - paper punching testing
Deker replied to riflehunter583's topic in Rimfire, Centrefire & Shotguns
If you can do it then fine! But I think you have the wrong rifle for your intended use! If I was after long range crows (120yards +++) I wouldn't even be thinking about a .22lr. HMR, .17CF or maybe even a .204! I have a site where I can get down prone, off the bipod, and head shoot a few Canadas at spot on 100 yards with the HMR, I wouldn't even think of trying with a .22lr!
