Reality of global warming for apex predator

[mackem 23,799]

I do question how endangered they actually are,you can still get a licence to hunt them,the only thing that actually stops more people going after them is the skins are non-exportable into certain countries (states is one though rumours are trumps going to change that)oh....and the 40k + or - price tag  you can go to Churchill in october and see hundreds waiting to migrate out onto the Hudson bay as its freezing over,that bear most probably has some sort of health problem which led to its starving condition,the WWF will coin it in through that footage far better than pristine snow leopard adverts on TV asking for £3 a month or whatever.

[lurcherman 887 12,679]

The uk will house them 

[South hams hunter 8,837]

How do you think global warming will affect big cats in this country @mackem and @W. Katchum? 

 

 

[lurcherman 887 12,679]

Just now, W. Katchum said:

40k

Thats pocket change for you

[ChrisJones 7,973]

3 minutes ago, mackem said:

I do question how endangered they actually are,you can still get a licence to hunt them,the only thing that actually stops more people going after them is the skins are non-exportable into certain countries (states is one though rumours are trumps going to change that)oh....and the 40k + or - price tag  you can go to Churchill in october and see hundreds waiting to migrate out onto the Hudson bay as its freezing over,that bear most probably has some sort of health problem which led to its starving condition,the WWF will coin it in through that footage far better than pristine snow leopard adverts on TV asking for £3 a month or whatever.

You're right mate it's hard to gauge even with us having a ton of data at our fingertips. Regardless of what is causing that particular beast harm an animal that specialises in the cold is going to have a tough time adapting to a rapidly warming planet. It's shit but it's going on all around us.

[mackem 23,799]

9 minutes ago, South hams hunter said:

How do you think global warming will affect big cats in this country @mackem and @W. Katchum? 

 

 

Wont affect them at all,we have leopards and mountain lions,both can cope with heat  the snow leopards will move up to the lake district and the cairngorms,the prides of lion will move down to the Salisbury plain savannahs and the Siberian tigers will bear the brunt but will acclimaties given a few generations

[lurcherman 887 12,679]

9 minutes ago, W. Katchum said:

Doubt it, that enough to pay my house off haha it’s you fcukers tho I’m ye fleet a fancy mercs and heating that mansion that killing these poor bears, how do you sleep at night you jew you???

Lol piss off im a council chap 

[South hams hunter 8,837]

41 minutes ago, mackem said:

Wont affect them at all,we have leopards and mountain lions,both can cope with heat  the snow leopards will move up to the lake district and the cairngorms,the prides of lion will move down to the Salisbury plain savannahs and the Siberian tigers will bear the brunt but will acclimaties given a few generations

@Greyman does this sound about right to you ?

[delswal 3,817]

Where all the Polar Bears in that area in that state or just that one? As bad as it looks manys reasons could be given for the condition of that bear.

One reporter looking at that could write about a disease, another write about global warming, another write about how the bear was savagely beaten and forced out of it's natural area by a bigger bear. All could sound convincing and believable, a picture can paint a thousand words.

[mackem 23,799]

It is likely one of the most widely viewed images that is going to emerge from Canada all year: An emaciated polar bear digging through garbage that was quickly branded around the world as proof of the ecological horrors of climate change. Even Catherine McKenna, Canada’s Minister of Environment and Climate Change, wrote in a tweet: “THIS is what climate change looks like.”

But ask the people who actually spend their time around polar bears — Arctic biologists and the Inuit — and it quickly emerges that all is not what it seems.

The bear might have been injured or diseased

“The video shows what appears to be an old male in declining health, but clear clinical signs of starvation aren’t obvious (e.g. convulsions),” said longtime polar bear biologist Andrew Derocher in an email. In a series of tweets, Arctic wildlife biologist Jeff Higdon similarly speculated that the animal could be suffering from an aggressive form of bone cancer. “That bear is starving, but (in my opinion) it’s not starving because the ice suddenly disappeared and it could no longer hunt seals,” he wrote, noting that bears routinely survive long stretches of ice-free water during the summer. “It’s far more likely that it is starving due to health issues,” he added. However, noted University of Alberta polar bear researcher Ian Stirling disputed that it was an older bear, pointing out the lack of scarring around the animal’s neck. In an email, Stirling added that it’s impossible to know for sure what caused the bear’s emaciation, but it “is what a starving bear would look like, regardless of the cause.”

The bear lives in an area where populations are doing well

Climate change is definitely very bad for the future of polar bears. As Stirling said, “more instances of starvation will be inevitable” if polar bears don’t have ice to use as a hunting platform. But for the time being, disappearing ice is having varied effects on Canadian polar bears. Depending on where they live, some bears are getting utterly decimated, while others are thriving. Notably, the emaciated polar bear quite likely lives in an area where polar bears are doing rather well. According to data collected by the federal government, polar bears along the entire west coast of Baffin Island are “stable.” On the southeastern side of the island (around the Nunavut capital of Iqaluit) polar bears have even experienced a “likely increase.” It’s only on the island’s northeastern corner — in a management area that meets Greenland — that polar bears are suspected to be in decline.

Emaciated polar bears are not a new thing

A caribou or a moose is never allowed to get this skinny: Long before it gets close to starvation, a predator has usually  turned them into a meal. But if a polar bear doesn’t drown or get shot, it’s most likely going to end up looking like the bear in the photo. “Polar bears, they don’t have natural enemies, so when they die, it’s of starvation,” Steven Amstrup, chief scientist at Polar Bears International, said in 2015. And, like many other bears, such as the grizzly, polar bears sometimes go through dramatic cycles of feast and famine. “Bears can respond to improved conditions: We’ve followed bears that went from bone racks to obese over a few months,” said Derocher. Niko Inuarak lives in Pond Inlet, NU and comes from a family of hunters and guides. He said his father Charlie was “not baffled to see a polar bear in that state” and had seen it often before. In fact, the elder Inuarak had once spotted “two polar bears together one very healthy and the other bear showing the same behaviour as in the video footage,” said Niko by email.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/what-everybody-got-wrong-about-that-viral-video-of-a-starving-polar-bear/ar-BBGCE8j?ocid=spartanntp

[mackem 23,799]

[South hams hunter 8,837]

Looks like the population is struggling 

[mackem 23,799]

13 minutes ago, South hams hunter said:

Looks like the population is struggling 

The top blooded one had charged a beached huge group of walrus hauled right up on a rocky outcrop a number had died in the stampede for the water the bear is covered in walrus blood.

[DanielG 279]

I spoke to a canadian  part time game warden  about 5 years ago,he purchased  a gun i was selling.

he used to work up in arctic canada, during the caribou migration,the locals used to get bored and blast hundreds of them, and just leave em to rot.

they were already allowed 6 caribou per person per year, and they get to 600lb ,so with a family of 6 thats 36 caribou.

anyway he was talking about global warming  and i asked his opinion he wreckoned it was still fucin cold up there lol

He said the polar bear numbers were as high as ever.

 

[mackem 23,799]

8 minutes ago, DanielG said:

He said the polar bear numbers were as high as ever.

Churchill Manitoba