EDDIE B 3,120 Posted December 9, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2023 Most the lads n the band were English born. I think it wouldn't have happened if they were born and bred in Ireland. Somehow the mix of punk/ traditional Irish music worked, and resonated with a lot of people. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
eastcoast 3,729 Posted December 9, 2023 Report Share Posted December 9, 2023 39 minutes ago, EDDIE B said: Most the lads n the band were English born. I think it wouldn't have happened if they were born and bred in Ireland. Somehow the mix of punk/ traditional Irish music worked, and resonated with a lot of people. I watched a documentary on Shane a few years ago, The Great Hunger. A commentator said that the Pogues could never have happened in Ireland. At that time, according to the commentator, Ireland was trying to re-invent itself and wanted to distance from the image of the navvy and the drunken Irishman. Shane and the Pogues where considered an embarrassment and a reminder of a past that many wanted to forget. It took a while them to be appreciated and Shane to be welcomed as one of their own and a talent to be proud of. According to the documentary. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EDDIE B 3,120 Posted December 9, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2023 1 hour ago, eastcoast said: I watched a documentary on Shane a few years ago, The Great Hunger. A commentator said that the Pogues could never have happened in Ireland. At that time, according to the commentator, Ireland was trying to re-invent itself and wanted to distance from the image of the navvy and the drunken Irishman. Shane and the Pogues where considered an embarrassment and a reminder of a past that many wanted to forget. It took a while them to be appreciated and Shane to be welcomed as one of their own and a talent to be proud of. According to the documentary. I think there was some truth to that, but mostly from the media and older generation. Young lads of my generation loved the band. Most didn't even like Irish music, but were drawn to their music. He was brought onto Irish talks shows (one in particular) and was somewhat ridiculed, and almost shamed for his addictions His father Morris, was in the audience of this show on several occasions, and stood up for Shane, and dammed if was gonna let them rip Shane apart. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jukel123 6,570 Posted December 9, 2023 Report Share Posted December 9, 2023 It's a kind of Irish trait that they forgive and celebrate their heroes no matter how low they sink. I'm thinking of Shane and George Best. They both destroyed themselves and yet they were both gifted artists in their particular fields. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Welsh_red 4,309 Posted December 9, 2023 Report Share Posted December 9, 2023 14 minutes ago, jukel123 said: It's a kind of Irish trait that they forgive and celebrate their heroes no matter how low they sink. I'm thinking of Shane and George Best. They both destroyed themselves and yet they were both gifted artists in their particular fields. Think the same can be said for most countries . Everybody loves a flawed genius, Gazza in England etc 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shaaark 10,140 Posted December 9, 2023 Report Share Posted December 9, 2023 2 hours ago, EDDIE B said: Most the lads n the band were English born. I think it wouldn't have happened if they were born and bred in Ireland. Somehow the mix of punk/ traditional Irish music worked, and resonated with a lot of people. 2 hours ago, eastcoast said: I watched a documentary on Shane a few years ago, The Great Hunger. A commentator said that the Pogues could never have happened in Ireland. At that time, according to the commentator, Ireland was trying to re-invent itself and wanted to distance from the image of the navvy and the drunken Irishman. Shane and the Pogues where considered an embarrassment and a reminder of a past that many wanted to forget. It took a while them to be appreciated and Shane to be welcomed as one of their own and a talent to be proud of. According to the documentary. 38 minutes ago, jukel123 said: It's a kind of Irish trait that they forgive and celebrate their heroes no matter how low they sink. I'm thinking of Shane and George Best. They both destroyed themselves and yet they were both gifted artists in their particular fields. 23 minutes ago, Welsh_red said: Think the same can be said for most countries . Everybody loves a flawed genius, Gazza in England etc Does it really matter where he was born? The edge, U2, both his parents were welsh, from Llanelli. He was born in England 1961 then they moved to Ireland 1962. So f***ing what!! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EDDIE B 3,120 Posted December 9, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2023 1 minute ago, shaaark said: Does it really matter where he was born? The edge, U2, both his parents were welsh, from Llanelli. He was born in England 1961 then they moved to Ireland 1962. So f***ing what!! Yea but Bono's a c**t 4 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shaaark 10,140 Posted December 9, 2023 Report Share Posted December 9, 2023 (edited) 17 minutes ago, EDDIE B said: Yea but Bono's a c**t So what?!! Lol U2, one of the biggest, most successful bands of all time. I don't think he'd give the slightest f**k who didn't like him. Edited December 9, 2023 by shaaark Quote Link to post Share on other sites
eastcoast 3,729 Posted December 9, 2023 Report Share Posted December 9, 2023 13 minutes ago, shaaark said: Does it really matter where he was born? The edge, U2, both his parents were welsh, from Llanelli. He was born in England 1961 then they moved to Ireland 1962. So f***ing what!! Exactly, Cliff Richard was born in India... sometimes it's as though Devil Woman had never been written! 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bakerboy 3,254 Posted December 9, 2023 Report Share Posted December 9, 2023 37 minutes ago, shaaark said: Does it really matter where he was born? The edge, U2, both his parents were welsh, from Llanelli. He was born in England 1961 then they moved to Ireland 1962. So f***ing what!! Who the fck would admit to being Welsh.... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shaaark 10,140 Posted December 9, 2023 Report Share Posted December 9, 2023 (edited) 14 hours ago, Bakerboy said: Who the fck would admit to being Welsh.... Not me, mate. 95% of my dam's line is Irish, and about 75% of my sire's line is Englitch, ENGLITCH!!! Can barely live it down!! Edited December 10, 2023 by shaaark 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bakerboy 3,254 Posted December 9, 2023 Report Share Posted December 9, 2023 3 minutes ago, shaaark said: Not me, mate. 95% of my dam's line is Irish, and about 75% of my my sire's line is Englitch, ENGLITCH!!! Can barely live it down!! 1st cross me mate London x Mid Wales 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jukel123 6,570 Posted December 9, 2023 Report Share Posted December 9, 2023 1 minute ago, Bakerboy said: 1st cross me mate London x Mid Wales Mate told me that cross were either hard mouthed crunchers or jackers. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shaaark 10,140 Posted December 9, 2023 Report Share Posted December 9, 2023 Just now, jukel123 said: Mate told me that cross were either hard mouthed crunchers or jackers. Hardest mouthed dog I've ever owned, was a 1st cross whippet/greyhound, without doubt!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jukel123 6,570 Posted December 9, 2023 Report Share Posted December 9, 2023 1 minute ago, shaaark said: Hardest mouthed dog I've ever owned, was a 1st cross whippet/greyhound, without doubt!! I would match you against a collie grey I bought for my son from Hancock. Bite like a crocodile. She delivered rabbits diced and minced. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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