socks 32,253 Posted January 3, 2021 Report Share Posted January 3, 2021 36 minutes ago, foxdropper said: How was the flight Ken Oddly enough he still hasn’t sent me a message ....... 1 Quote Link to post
mushroom 12,352 Posted January 3, 2021 Report Share Posted January 3, 2021 4 minutes ago, socks said: Oddly enough he still hasn’t sent me a message ....... Corvid restrictions mate 1 Quote Link to post
TonyT 1,353 Posted January 3, 2021 Report Share Posted January 3, 2021 Like a bit of ratting me ... stress free bit of fun dogs love it. won’t get drawn into it’s not terrierwork , some take hundreds in a day fair play ... there’s ratting and there’s the odd rat. ive no problem ratting with a pup if it’s got teeth and jabbed. ATB .... T Quote Link to post
Daniel cain 42,804 Posted January 3, 2021 Report Share Posted January 3, 2021 Lasted long enough to see the flashy kennel name not for me I'm afraid... 1 1 Quote Link to post
foxdropper 17,092 Posted January 3, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2021 52 minutes ago, Daniel cain said: Lasted long enough to see the flashy kennel name not for me I'm afraid... Quote Link to post
foxdropper 17,092 Posted January 3, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2021 We’ve done the entering thing many times but pups with milk teeth should not be seeing anything . 1 Quote Link to post
Black neck 15,161 Posted January 3, 2021 Report Share Posted January 3, 2021 3 hours ago, socks said: I’ve bred terriers that were killing rats In the womb ........ A good terriers sperms can kill rats 4 Quote Link to post
foxdropper 17,092 Posted January 3, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2021 Well before the sperm stage Sid ,they were just a twinkle in the old studs eye . 1 Quote Link to post
morton 5,367 Posted January 3, 2021 Report Share Posted January 3, 2021 4 hours ago, Rickshaw swami said: Most Americans start their terriers in an artificial scenario which I have never agreed with regardless of age.Pet rats,caged coons ,wooden boxes with a possum.As my father used to say "It's like putting lipstick on a pig." Pointless I started a pup yesterday.Roughly 15 months old.He had seen nothing.I took him to a beaver set that I knew would provide an easy quick bolt.The little dog entered.Beaver immediately bolted and the pup came home feeling like king of the world. Most Americans say that I do it wrong.I say most Americans do it wrong. An awful lot of folk over here start a youngster with a cheat factor and if truth was told many a youngster gained its first rung on the ladder with an easy assist.id not take to much from a youngster bolting its first encounter that was more interested in bolting. Quote Link to post
Glyn..... 5,199 Posted January 3, 2021 Report Share Posted January 3, 2021 (edited) I don't encourage any of my terriers to go for rats after having to move tons of bales for a terrier digging for rat , as far as the video I wouldn't at that age even a nip that young and the dog could go backwards for ever...I'm usually stock breaking at that age and know how a little fear at that age stops them worrying stock for life Edited January 3, 2021 by Glyn..... 7 Quote Link to post
Night Walker 591 Posted January 3, 2021 Report Share Posted January 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, Glyn..... said: I don't encourage any of my terriers to go for rats after having to move tons of bales for a terrier digging for rat , as far as the video I wouldn't at that age even a nip that young and the dog could go backwards for ever...I'm usually stock breaking at that age and know how a little fear at that age stops them worrying stock for life Exactly, more important things like manners and stock breaking to think about at that age not entering 1 Quote Link to post
foxdropper 17,092 Posted January 3, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2021 44 minutes ago, sid g said: i get that but here`s me thinking this was as serious thread -- should of realised it was the terrier section ... The amount of ratting a lad does will determine when they are entered .Mine tag along at about 6 months but that’s not entering is it .Entering to me is taking the youngster out on its own to see if it’s ready to tackle something alone and in it’s own environment .Ragging a corpse is not entering ,killing anything with the pack is not entering ,entered implies that terrier is ready to join the fray as a ratter in its own right and the only way that’s proven is to take the youngster on its own at the appropriate age to let it work unaided .Same with digging .I like a dog to be independent where work is concerned and find its own niche within a rat pack ,solo when digging .The pack will always sort out who does what it’s the nature of it but I’d like a terrier to find that position itself without being pushed into it . By 12/13 months I’d like to see a terrier doing rats unaided marking killing and hunting up and solo digging by 14/16 months .That’s my take on it ,don’t care what others think . 3 1 Quote Link to post
downsouth 6,818 Posted January 3, 2021 Report Share Posted January 3, 2021 Does killing rats even make any difference as to how easily a terrier will or wont enter to real quarry?I dont think so.Ive seen terriers that have killed loads of rats and ragged loads of carcasses and been tied up on digs that haven't made anything.On the other hand Ive seen youngsters that have just been socialised properly and been out and about enter in the first occupied earth they've come across with no encouragement at all.Yeah ratting is a bit of fun and better than being stuck in a kennel but I dont think it makes any difference when entering to the proper job. 8 1 Quote Link to post
dogmandont 9,317 Posted January 3, 2021 Report Share Posted January 3, 2021 4 minutes ago, downsouth said: Does killing rats even make any difference as to how easily a terrier will or wont enter to real quarry?I dont think so.Ive seen terriers that have killed loads of rats and ragged loads of carcasses and been tied up on digs that haven't made anything.On the other hand Ive seen youngsters that have just been socialised properly and been out and about enter in the first occupied earth they've come across with no encouragement at all.Yeah ratting is a bit of fun and better than being stuck in a kennel but I dont think it makes any difference when entering to the proper job. ALL of the best digging dogs I've ever seen have seen nothing but their intended quarry. 3 Quote Link to post
morton 5,367 Posted January 3, 2021 Report Share Posted January 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, downsouth said: Does killing rats even make any difference as to how easily a terrier will or wont enter to real quarry?I dont think so.Ive seen terriers that have killed loads of rats and ragged loads of carcasses and been tied up on digs that haven't made anything.On the other hand Ive seen youngsters that have just been socialised properly and been out and about enter in the first occupied earth they've come across with no encouragement at all.Yeah ratting is a bit of fun and better than being stuck in a kennel but I dont think it makes any difference when entering to the proper job. Killing a rodent that weighs a few ounces is no test of a terriers worth in later life,yet a youthful terrier that refuses an easy rodent is a sign of the terriers future.An awful lot of folk with terriers want a little test for their sapling and a little rodent work is part and parcel of a terriers hunting education,fair enough its not a proper test but it is "part of the test" to many a kennel.If I owned a pup that refused an easy rodent id not be confident taking it to another level.The other aspects of early hunting is the socialisation of the mutt with other dogs and company. 1 Quote Link to post
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