Would you

[morton 5,367]

15 minutes ago, dogmandont said:

ALL of the best digging dogs I've ever seen have seen nothing but their intended quarry. 

And all of the best digging dogs ive seen saw life and gained valuable education.

[foxdropper 17,092]

21 minutes ago, downsouth said:

Does killing rats even make any difference as to how easily a terrier will or wont enter to real quarry?I dont think so.Ive seen terriers that have killed loads of rats and ragged loads of carcasses and been tied up on digs that haven't made anything.On the other hand Ive seen youngsters that have just been socialised properly and been out and about enter in the first occupied earth they've come across with no encouragement at all.Yeah ratting is a bit of fun and better than being stuck in a kennel but I dont think it makes any difference when entering to the proper job.

Totally agree mate but I’ve also seen terriers used for exclusive digging terrierwork that look stupid on a ratting day and I mean stupid with owners very embarrassed .It’s about giving the youngster as much variation at the right stage of its  life to culminate in a well rounded animal that takes everything in its stride .If ratting is part of your life you going to want a ratter ,if digging us the only vocation then ditto but both is very doable in spade fulls .

[foxdropper 17,092]

We getting on Mort !!!!

[fireman 10,774]

13 minutes ago, morton said:

Killing a rodent that weighs a few ounces is no test of a terriers worth in later life,yet a youthful terrier that refuses an easy rodent is a sign of the terriers future.An awful lot of folk with terriers want a little test for their sapling and a little rodent work is part and parcel of a terriers hunting education,fair enough its not a proper test but it is "part of the test" to many a kennel.If I owned a pup that refused an easy rodent id not be confident taking it to another level.The other aspects of early hunting is the socialisation of the mutt with other dogs and company.

I had a russell bitch who'd stop and not hit a rat if it stood face on to her, seen her a few times just stood looking at them and the rat sat on it's arse facing off the dog. if the rat turned to run it died but face on she backed off, that same bitch would draw her foxes out a small earth sharp end or blunt end they came  out and she gave her life rather than leave a fox in a bigger place.. her ratting skills meant feck all but fun to me...

[morton 5,367]

1 minute ago, fireman said:

I had a russell bitch who'd stop and not hit a rat if it stood face on to her, seen her a few times just stood looking at them and the rat sat on it's arse facing off the dog. if the rat turned to run it died but face on she backed off, that same bitch would draw her foxes out a small earth sharp end or blunt end they came  out and she gave her life rather than leave a fox in a bigger place.. her ratting skills meant feck all but fun to me...

I had 2 lads on an occupied hole refusing to enter their terriers because rabbits where seen entering,i entered mine,a very useful rat and bunny busher,we dug to the intended.The amount of times ive dug to rabbits with other peoples more educated terriers."its never happened before",bollocks.

[dogmandont 9,329]

13 minutes ago, morton said:

And all of the best digging dogs ive seen saw life and gained valuable education.

Look Morton you don't mind doubling up your bushing terriers so you'd best leave the subject of proper digging dogs to those that work their terriers to high standard. 

[morton 5,367]

Just now, dogmandont said:

Look Morton you don't mind doubling up your bushing terriers so you'd best leave the subject of proper digging dogs to those that work their terriers to high standard. 

Ill leave that to you then son,ill warrant in your short ignorant lifetime you will have seen more than me.

[low plains drifter 9,463]

5 hours ago, mushroom said:

Corvid restrictions mate

Rooks don't get home as quick as the pigeons

[downsouth 6,831]

14 minutes ago, foxdropper said:

Totally agree mate but I’ve also seen terriers used for exclusive digging terrierwork that look stupid on a ratting day and I mean stupid with owners very embarrassed .It’s about giving the youngster as much variation at the right stage of its  life to culminate in a well rounded animal that takes everything in its stride .If ratting is part of your life you going to want a ratter ,if digging us the only vocation then ditto but both is very doable in spade fulls .

I had a young dog that I bred out of the often mentioned Wheeler bred dogs Charlie who when i first entered him was slaughtering every fox he met in comlete silence.Took him out on a ratting day where nearly 2000 rats were killed at 14months old and all he did was wander around trying to scoff dead rats.Had no interest in even chasing a rat and they were running past him by the dozen.When I rang the fella who owned Charlie the next day and told him his words were"eyh that sounds about right for that stuff lad.Dont worry he'll be right"

[morton 5,367]

19 minutes ago, foxdropper said:

We getting on Mort !!!!

We often hold common ground,obviously there is a reason for that,the rest of the time we may have to disagree,always with a smile.

[dogmandont 9,329]

1 minute ago, morton said:

Ill leave that to you then son,ill warrant in your short ignorant lifetime you will have seen more than me.

Well it would seem so grandad, I've been around plenty of digging dogs and not a single one has EVER been used for bushing maybe the very rare day on the rats and that would be a rarity. I find it odd that you think a terrier has to see other quarry than its intended species that it's going to be working to make it better at its job, can you explain please? 

[morton 5,367]

2 minutes ago, downsouth said:

I had a young dog that I bred out of the often mentioned Wheeler bred dogs Charlie who when i first entered him was slaughtering every fox he met in comlete silence.Took him out on a ratting day where nearly 2000 rats were killed at 14months old and all he did was wander around trying to scoff dead rats.Had no interest in even chasing a rat and they were running past him by the dozen.When I rang the fella who owned Charlie the next day and told him his words were"eyh that sounds about right for that stuff lad.Dont worry he'll be right"

I owned a red Bitch bred from digging royalty,we often went ratting early dawn to warm the terriers up for the real days work,i could not let her of the leash as she ate every rat she could sneak off with and was pot bellied and sleepy for the rest of the days more serious enterprise.

[morton 5,367]

2 minutes ago, dogmandont said:

Well it would seem so grandad, I've been around plenty of digging dogs and not a single one has EVER been used for bushing maybe the very rare day on the rats and that would be a rarity. I find it odd that you think a terrier has to see other quarry than its intended species that it's going to be working to make it better at its job, can you explain please? 

If you owned 2 brain cells that got on you would be a very dangerous chimp.

[dogmandont 9,329]

Just now, morton said:

If you owned 2 brain cells that got on you would be a very dangerous chimp.

 Just as I thought, not a fcukin clue. Lol. 

When it boils down to it morton your full of piss and wind. You talk a good fight but in the cold light of day your just a  silly ole fool that doubles up his bushing terriers and thinks he has something special. 

 

[morton 5,367]

1 minute ago, dogmandont said:

 Just as I thought, not a fcukin clue. Lol. 

When it boils down to it morton your full of piss and wind. You talk a good fight but in the cold light of day your just a  silly ole fool that doubles up his bushing terriers and thinks he has something special. 

 

Special needs always wants to be special.