chartpolski 20,409 Posted January 14, 2021 Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 3 hours ago, socks said: Was that just a newsreader saying that or did they have somebody qualified on. Just watched it again. Professor Susan Hopkins.. She said a small amount of people who had recovered from Covid had later became re-infected, but the symptoms were not as severe as first time. She also said having recovered from Covid gives just over 80% chance of immunity for around five months, then decreasing over time. I don't know how accurate her assessments are, there are sure to be other experts who disagree with her. Once again, this is why I'm on the fence until some definite data is available. Cheers. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Arry 18,588 Posted January 14, 2021 Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jan/14/pimlico-plumbers-to-introduce-no-jab-no-job-work-contracts-covid Cheers Arry Link to post Share on other sites
Daniel cain 42,879 Posted January 14, 2021 Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 2 hours ago, socks said: I will Just send one of my lads to those sites if that’s the case. look I’m not an anti vaxer but this disease kills just 2% of the people it effects and those people are predominantly in their eighties. I am fit and healthy. I never get a cold or flue I’ve never worn a mask or washed my hands to an inch of their life and I still haven’t caught it (or as I believe I had it back in early March which has given me immunity). this vaccine has had no long term testing and one of the provisions put in place before it was released was that the company’s producing it could not get sued down the line for anything it may cause in the future. Some Lads I work with are off shielding for the 3rd time since March wtf? Come back to work, moved from site to site, I've been on 6 different sites since November... And had 4 different lads labouring and having a lift in with me.... My company don't give 2 fucks for the workers... And I don't give 2 fucks for Covid or this jab.... I won't be forced to have it, will take early retirement and make what coin I got stashed work for me... If it envolves breaking the law... Then so be it, I will go until I get caught... f**k themI won't be sitting at home next time they lock us all down, earning statuary sick pay... Or on f***ing furlough... 2 Link to post Share on other sites
walshie 2,804 Posted January 14, 2021 Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 16 minutes ago, Arry said: https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jan/14/pimlico-plumbers-to-introduce-no-jab-no-job-work-contracts-covid Cheers Arry They can probably get away with that with any new employees they hire, but trying to change existing contracts is asking to be taken to the cleaners. Link to post Share on other sites
iworkwhippets 12,247 Posted January 14, 2021 Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 14 minutes ago, W. Katchum said: Sense at last, should shut this thread now should have been shut yonks ago 217 pages and none the wiser Link to post Share on other sites
chartpolski 20,409 Posted January 14, 2021 Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 Yeah, it's been going around in circles for a while. There are those implacably against the vaccine, and those implacably for it, then there are those like me who are on the fence, waiting for more information before deciding. No one is going to make you have it, or stop you from having it. Quoting unreliable or fake news or even wild conspiracy theories, by both sides, isn't going to convince me, either way. I'll make that decision myself, based on the information available to me when my time comes. Cheers. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
chartpolski 20,409 Posted January 14, 2021 Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, maxhardcore said: Charts your not waiting on more info before deciding Your waiting to see if they will let you on a plane without it . There you go again, telling me my own mind ! ! If I decide that NOT having the vaccine is more important than me flying, then I'll bring my family here ! Stop trying to find arguments where there are none. Cheers. Edited January 14, 2021 by chartpolski 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Greb147 6,808 Posted January 14, 2021 Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 5 minutes ago, maxhardcore said: You have already said so much yourself . No one can say what this vax might do health wise in the short term so sitting on the fence to see what it might do is a long term thing . Max, you would think medical scientists have more idea than the average citizen wouldn't you. Link to post Share on other sites
chartpolski 20,409 Posted January 14, 2021 Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 Just now, maxhardcore said: You have already said so much yourself . No one can say what this vax might do health wise in the short term so sitting on the fence to see what it might do is a long term thing . I said "if the airline or country say I must have the vax, then I'll probably have it " If there is information down the line saying there is a possibility of serious side effects for my demographic, then I won't have it ! Do you understand what '" on the fence " means ? I don't know yet wether I'll have the vax or not. Ive been 100-% honest and consistent with my view, I don't understand why you can't accept that. I resent you inferring I'm a liar and assuming you know my mind better than I do. Cheers. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
chartpolski 20,409 Posted January 14, 2021 Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 Just now, maxhardcore said: How long do you think you will have to sit on that fence before there is enough info there to work out what it might do to folks health down the line ? I haven't a clue ! Im not even an expert in my own profession, let alone epidemiology. Ill assimilate as much information as I can until I have to make a decision on wether to have the jab or not. Cheers. Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 12,388 Posted January 14, 2021 Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, socks said: I can guarantee I won’t be doing any U turn unless some ground breaking new evidence co was out about. Which I doubt will happen. Can I ask you about the first gulf war vacs? You're old enough and fugly enough to have been there. I've read a lot on this. Testimonials, scientific results and more importantly accounts of the chaps and chapesses that were given them. The level of suicide is ridiculous. Edited to add; I'm not an antivax or looking to blame. Just very curious Edited January 14, 2021 by mushroom Link to post Share on other sites
chartpolski 20,409 Posted January 14, 2021 Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 1 minute ago, maxhardcore said: Your not daft ‘you know it’s a risk but your willing to take that risk to see your grand kid and that’s understandable . Especialy for someone your age . Don’t make it right but understandable all the same Folk should be able to take the same risk re Covid Did ou not read what I said ? If the risks significantly outweigh the benefits, then I won't have the vax, it's simple. Cheers. Link to post Share on other sites
Greb147 6,808 Posted January 14, 2021 Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 14 minutes ago, maxhardcore said: They can’t only make a guesstimate I can take that guesswork out of it by letting my immune system do it’s job They are cleaver fcuking people mate, this will be no stab in the dark. Link to post Share on other sites
socks 32,253 Posted January 14, 2021 Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 20 minutes ago, mushroom said: Can I ask you about the first gulf war vacs? You're old enough and fugly enough to have been there. I've read a lot on this. Testimonials, scientific results and more importantly accounts of the chaps and chapesses that were given them. The level of suicide is ridiculous. Edited to add; I'm not an antivax or looking to blame. Just very curious I wasn’t there mate ....... 1 Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 12,388 Posted January 14, 2021 Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 17 minutes ago, socks said: I wasn’t there mate ....... Sad but true. NDA's end the conversion right there mate Link to post Share on other sites
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