JDHUNTING 1,817 Posted August 30, 2020 Report Share Posted August 30, 2020 5 minutes ago, WILF said: That’s a fair shout in the context you are talking about mate However what I don’t think anyone can infer is that his ability is enhanced by drugs, they just don’t make a drug that can give that type of talent......that’s just a lifetime with a gift and a ball at your feet that is. I agree with that the HGH made zero difference to his ball skills, but it did give him enough height to be able to play pro. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greb147 6,808 Posted August 30, 2020 Report Share Posted August 30, 2020 9 minutes ago, JDHUNTING said: I agree with that the HGH made zero difference to his ball skills, but it did give him enough height to be able to play pro. I think he would have been even better smaller, imagining him running through the legs of defenders after a nutmeg. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Welsh_red 4,345 Posted August 30, 2020 Report Share Posted August 30, 2020 54 minutes ago, WILF said: That’s a fair shout in the context you are talking about mate However what I don’t think anyone can infer is that his ability is enhanced by drugs, they just don’t make a drug that can give that type of talent......that’s just a lifetime with a gift and a ball at your feet that is. Glad he took them then . Its been a pleasure watching him over the years. Would be a crying shame if the world didnt get to watch messi 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
big sid 1,122 Posted August 30, 2020 Report Share Posted August 30, 2020 i agree with everyone about his ability Quote Link to post Share on other sites
morton 5,367 Posted August 30, 2020 Report Share Posted August 30, 2020 On 29/08/2020 at 10:05, THE STIFFMEISTER said: I’ve always been cursed with watching Messi as whenever I’ve watched him , he’s never had one of his career defining games . without a doubt a true great and a huge name in the game . Think him and Ronaldo are the two sides of the same coin , one all natural with phenomenal ability the other hard work and dedication from A lesseR ability . You can never mention one without the other . was he fortunate to be part of a team that included the likes of xavi and iniesta who were on his wavelength ? Undoubtedly. And that should be accounted for in his legacy . As for the goat ? , for me I think it’s very hard to back that statement as players like the original ronaldo , Ronaldinho, Miroslav klose , all offer different things . did he truly truly ever shine in the international stage ? And as much as I hate this phrase we will never truly know “what he is like on a wet Wednesday night in Bolton ? “ great player , though , truly Iconic Iniesta made messi look average,the greatest player,Diego maradona. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ArchieHood 3,692 Posted August 30, 2020 Report Share Posted August 30, 2020 (edited) Can't believe Joey Barton hasn't had a mention......... Edited August 30, 2020 by ArchieHood My bad, topic was G.O.A.T.....thought it said C.U.N.T. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
morton 5,367 Posted August 30, 2020 Report Share Posted August 30, 2020 7 minutes ago, ArchieHood said: Can't believe Joey Barton hasn't had a mention......... or Tully. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blackmag 5,883 Posted August 30, 2020 Report Share Posted August 30, 2020 (edited) Or shearer highest prem scorer imagine if he kept injury free the record he would of had for rovers or the toon Edited August 30, 2020 by Blackmag 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 29,751 Posted September 4, 2020 Report Share Posted September 4, 2020 Sorry for dragging stuff up ive missed but its a better way to kill a bit of time than reading the paper ! I always said the best player i ever saw live by a mile was Ronaldo....having watched footie all my life down Upton Park from every part of that ground i remember Man Utd coming down and my pal suggested going in the old chicken run where we hadnt been for years.....Wilf will know what im on about it was the closest you would get to the pitch in any modern football ground and from that view of the game i was in shock and amazement at simply how fast Ronaldo could move with a ball at his feet....in complete control....his physical strength and athletic power were so impressive to watch it was like watching a man play against boys. Im no expert or tactician but for me players like Messi and George Best as skillful as they were they could go missing in games and unlike Ronaldo didnt have the physical presence to force their way into a game on an off day i dont think i ever saw Ronaldo have a bad game at West Ham.........but i suppose like everyone its what you like. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 44,459 Posted September 4, 2020 Report Share Posted September 4, 2020 4 hours ago, gnasher16 said: Sorry for dragging stuff up ive missed but its a better way to kill a bit of time than reading the paper ! I always said the best player i ever saw live by a mile was Ronaldo....having watched footie all my life down Upton Park from every part of that ground i remember Man Utd coming down and my pal suggested going in the old chicken run where we hadnt been for years.....Wilf will know what im on about it was the closest you would get to the pitch in any modern football ground and from that view of the game i was in shock and amazement at simply how fast Ronaldo could move with a ball at his feet....in complete control....his physical strength and athletic power were so impressive to watch it was like watching a man play against boys. Im no expert or tactician but for me players like Messi and George Best as skillful as they were they could go missing in games and unlike Ronaldo didnt have the physical presence to force their way into a game on an off day i dont think i ever saw Ronaldo have a bad game at West Ham.........but i suppose like everyone its what you like. Was you at the game against Arsenal when Henry got a round of applause mate ?......I think they beat us 3-1 or 3-0 or something and he scored a hatrick.....he was completely unplayable that day. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NEWKID 26,358 Posted September 4, 2020 Report Share Posted September 4, 2020 5 hours ago, gnasher16 said: Sorry for dragging stuff up ive missed but its a better way to kill a bit of time than reading the paper ! I always said the best player i ever saw live by a mile was Ronaldo....having watched footie all my life down Upton Park from every part of that ground i remember Man Utd coming down and my pal suggested going in the old chicken run where we hadnt been for years.....Wilf will know what im on about it was the closest you would get to the pitch in any modern football ground and from that view of the game i was in shock and amazement at simply how fast Ronaldo could move with a ball at his feet....in complete control....his physical strength and athletic power were so impressive to watch it was like watching a man play against boys. Im no expert or tactician but for me players like Messi and George Best as skillful as they were they could go missing in games and unlike Ronaldo didnt have the physical presence to force their way into a game on an off day i dont think i ever saw Ronaldo have a bad game at West Ham.........but i suppose like everyone its what you like. Much the same mate, For me Ronaldo is the better alround player than Messi (and possibly the best ever??) he could play anywhere on the pitch and be the best player, great in the air, quick, strong, skillful there is nothing he cant do on a football pitch.... messi is silk with a ball at his feet and his alround awareness on the pitch is amazing, sheer footballing talent at another level... Original Ronaldo.. f**k me his record is unbelievable considering he had no knees from.about 22! Lol Personal fave though is Scholes, he just saw things no.one else did, but not only that could deliver the killer pass as well, on his day he controlled the whole game, changed the tempo.... I still.think England f****d up.by not utilising the best midfielder we had at that time, sticking him left midfield was criminal! 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Welsh_red 4,345 Posted September 4, 2020 Report Share Posted September 4, 2020 Seems Messi has decided to stay at barca . Ronaldo always gets the bad press out of the two but Messi isnt a sweet goody two shoes . He has held Barca to ransom loads over contracts for his own financial gain and has kicked up a fuss multpile times and the club has come crawling to him each time offering more money and getting rid of managers and club officials he doesnt like . Great player but he can be a wingy little brat sometimes Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blackmag 5,883 Posted September 4, 2020 Report Share Posted September 4, 2020 The Messi. Ronaldo argument will go on but I agree scholes is possibly the best midfielder we have had in years the midfield we had was one of the best in the world lampard scholes gerrard Beckham but we didn't use them Quote Link to post Share on other sites
THE STIFFMEISTER 14,626 Posted September 4, 2020 Report Share Posted September 4, 2020 5 hours ago, gnasher16 said: Sorry for dragging stuff up ive missed but its a better way to kill a bit of time than reading the paper ! I always said the best player i ever saw live by a mile was Ronaldo....having watched footie all my life down Upton Park from every part of that ground i remember Man Utd coming down and my pal suggested going in the old chicken run where we hadnt been for years.....Wilf will know what im on about it was the closest you would get to the pitch in any modern football ground and from that view of the game i was in shock and amazement at simply how fast Ronaldo could move with a ball at his feet....in complete control....his physical strength and athletic power were so impressive to watch it was like watching a man play against boys. Im no expert or tactician but for me players like Messi and George Best as skillful as they were they could go missing in games and unlike Ronaldo didnt have the physical presence to force their way into a game on an off day i dont think i ever saw Ronaldo have a bad game at West Ham.........but i suppose like everyone its what you like. I rarely use the phrase world class as a player for me has to be totally and utterly capable of being at ease against any opposition or occasion to merit it . i think we’ve had a dearth of English born talent who are capable of doing this .the last probable world class star we had were probably Ashley Cole and a young wayne Rooney. rooney was sensational when he broke through , look at how he played for England and to think how he slid away is galling to think about . Now to think that the maintainence of that standard has been done by a handful of players around the world in the last few years messi , Ronaldo, aguerro , zlatan maybe ? Klose, Suarez . I don’t rate mbappe or neymar at all , purely as I don’t see them being as consistent 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
THE STIFFMEISTER 14,626 Posted September 4, 2020 Report Share Posted September 4, 2020 11 minutes ago, Blackmag said: The Messi. Ronaldo argument will go on but I agree scholes is possibly the best midfielder we have had in years the midfield we had was one of the best in the world lampard scholes gerrard Beckham but we didn't use them Best English midfielder definitely, unable to lace xavi and iniestas boots. I’ve said before we would have been better dropping gerrard and building the team around scholes with someone like Barry sitting deep. 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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