jetro 5,349 Posted June 12, 2020 Report Share Posted June 12, 2020 46 minutes ago, JMc said: Like reading the history of these dogs,this bitch was just 21 lb!!!There were a lot of game bred bulldogs that were very small.Gr Ch Mammy atb J My favourite type of bulldog Atb j 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JMc 225 Posted June 12, 2020 Report Share Posted June 12, 2020 Francie, if you like a good write up on game bred types you should have a look at Richard Strattons website,he has lived and breathed these dogs for decades,you may already know of his books.Take heed,he rightly said these dogs deserve ONLY the very best people,it’s why I don’t own one lol.Photo of him with a modern day legend Gr Ch El Titeire,great write up of him meeting this dog. atb J 4 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JMc 225 Posted June 12, 2020 Report Share Posted June 12, 2020 Hello Jetro,went down the rabbit hole looking at smaller gamebred types,didn’t know myself they came so small,some of them.Interesting also that although not documented, those that know suggest Boston Terrier history is back to small game bred bulldogs,and Gr Ch Mammy there is not far off what earlier Boston’s looked like!The Gamedog site has loads of history about these dogs,plenty on British dogs as well. atb J Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jetro 5,349 Posted June 12, 2020 Report Share Posted June 12, 2020 1 hour ago, JMc said: Like reading the history of these dogs,this bitch was just 21 lb!!!There were a lot of game bred bulldogs that were very small.Gr Ch Mammy atb J Would anyone have a line of bull dogs around this size in Ireland, or even slightly larger. Atb j 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francie 6,362 Posted June 12, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2020 51 minutes ago, JMc said: Francie, if you like a good write up on game bred types you should have a look at Richard Strattons website,he has lived and breathed these dogs for decades,you may already know of his books.Take heed,he rightly said these dogs deserve ONLY the very best people,it’s why I don’t own one lol.Photo of him with a modern day legend Gr Ch El Titeire,great write up of him meeting this dog. atb J Thank you j I will look him up, ta bud Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bird 9,594 Posted June 12, 2020 Report Share Posted June 12, 2020 3 hours ago, keepdiggin said: Was yours show dogs ray or workers? no , our staffs were prob to big , compared to the kc staffs, around the the west mids , you got different type strains, some like ours tall racy build, like bulldogs, then you get smaller stocky types more like the kc stuff of to day. my bulldog was reid lines 19 1/2 in 58lb very strong bitch , ok with people and ok with dogs , if they were ok with her. 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francie 6,362 Posted June 12, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, bird said: no , our staffs were prob to big , compared to the kc staffs, around the the west mids , you got different type strains, some like ours tall racy build, like bulldogs, then you get smaller stocky types more like the kc stuff of to day. my bulldog was reid lines 19 1/2 in 58lb very strong bitch , ok with people and ok with dogs , if they were ok with her. Lovley bitch Ray, love the brindle Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bird 9,594 Posted June 12, 2020 Report Share Posted June 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, Francie said: Lovley bitch Ray, love the brindle yeh she was, liked people, and ok with dogs if they were o k with her , i did keep her on the lead with other dogs about, but if she did kick off, feck you struggle to stop her , and at her size and power, the average dog have no chance .she was big bitch, but i liked the smaller ones as well. i always said i might get nice small bitch one day, great breed in the right hands 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Elchapo 3,108 Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 On 11/06/2020 at 20:54, Blackmag said: Scotsman max the sire ( depending who you talk to )sired by ed Reid's skipper to one of the best lines of bull xs this side of the water as seen pye otter dee ect you will find a lot of info out on the said dogs francie in the film on the gamedog forum Was it definitely Scotsman’s max that sired the pye and otter , I know a lot lads said it but I was told by a mate who was mates with the lad who first owned pye and apparently the sire to pye was a black bull from Manchester called max Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Elchapo 3,108 Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 On 11/06/2020 at 20:06, Francie said: I think I remember a few on about them years back Stan but can't remember who. Liam Delaney new some the older dogs but not seen him on here for while 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 29,664 Posted June 14, 2020 Report Share Posted June 14, 2020 Id be amazed if theres any straight Colby dogs in Europe today,most of the dogs that came to Europe years ago were off of competition dogs with owners who made their stock readily available....with every respect to the Colby family their dogs were simply not competing at a high level across America in the 80's 90's im almost positive a pure family Colby dog was never imported to Britain during that time. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greb147 6,808 Posted June 14, 2020 Report Share Posted June 14, 2020 17 minutes ago, gnasher16 said: Id be amazed if theres any straight Colby dogs in Europe today,most of the dogs that came to Europe years ago were off of competition dogs with owners who made their stock readily available....with every respect to the Colby family their dogs were simply not competing at a high level across America in the 80's 90's im almost positive a pure family Colby dog was never imported to Britain during that time. Apparently they are still out there over the pond, don't think they are competing at the highest level but I still thing they are bred right and tested. Even if the odd one was imported over here or Europe none have made any impact as far as I know. By buying one though you are owning a bit of history, the oldest line alive in the Bulldog world. It must be a honour to own one of those animals. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
YOKEL 2,122 Posted June 14, 2020 Report Share Posted June 14, 2020 Indian sonny wrote a good piece on the Colby dogs a fair few years back now. Basically he states the breeders were so intent on keeping the line "pure" that the performance side of things suffered terribly. See if someone can find the article, tis an interesting read... Yokel 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greb147 6,808 Posted June 14, 2020 Report Share Posted June 14, 2020 5 minutes ago, YOKEL said: Indian sonny wrote a good piece on the Colby dogs a fair few years back now. Basically he states the breeders were so intent on keeping the line "pure" that the performance side of things suffered terribly. See if someone can find the article, tis an interesting read... Yokel It's of no surprise really, breeding that tight for so long will leave you behind in the game. At the end of the day though from what I've heard they are still game dogs even if they might have lost their ability. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 29,664 Posted June 14, 2020 Report Share Posted June 14, 2020 If they were still producing deeply game dogs then somebody somewhere would be competing with them at a high level....and they're not.......a very game dog in the hands of a top conditioner is a hard pairing to beat and if they wasnt competing at that level in the 80's and 90's theres no reason to think they are now. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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