Jonjon79 13,357 Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 2 hours ago, sandymere said: How is South Africa holding up since the ANC decided to kick out white farmers? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 44,629 Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jonjon79 said: How is South Africa holding up since the ANC decided to kick out white farmers? It was Zimbabwe that did that.......it’s a desolate wasteland now 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Accip74 7,112 Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 (edited) 20 minutes ago, WILF said: I always like your posts mate, I know you are a bloody lefty but I think you are a right sensible lad. I could be wrong but I get the feeling that you feel the same as a lot of lads now, there is no left or right......just us and them. Now I excuse your occasional slip up using phrases like “far right” etc because I like you ! and I’d rather converse with a lad like you about the merits of left wing politics because I don’t think you come at things with blind bias.......where as Sandymere plainly does do this. We could sit here all day long and trot out examples of what filthy bits of shit these politicians all are.......the bottom line is, debate is dead in politics, you can’t have honest conversations any more.....it’s all about the spin and the lies. None of these scumbags is clean in that regard. It’s a shame we are stuck in this cycle of left or right. I truly believe I’ve seen examples of good or well meaning people in both\all parties, but as a collective the game turns to pure shit! Until there’s a better way of deciding who runs the show I ain’t signing up for either side. Time & again they prove it just don’t work. Edited November 21, 2019 by Accip74 1 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dogmandont 9,425 Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 12 minutes ago, Jonjon79 said: How is South Africa holding up since the ANC decided to kick out white farmers? It’s their country they can do as they please with it. Leave them to it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jukel123 6,767 Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 Wilf and Accip, maybe left and right are outdated terms. Fake news and spin make finding the truth even more difficult. But there's common sense and basic morality. Best to vote with your conscience and sense of decency and forget the labels. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NEWKID 26,477 Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 48 minutes ago, WILF said: I always like your posts mate, I know you are a bloody lefty but I think you are a right sensible lad. I could be wrong but I get the feeling that you feel the same as a lot of lads now, there is no left or right......just us and them. Now I excuse your occasional slip up using phrases like “far right” etc because I like you ! and I’d rather converse with a lad like you about the merits of left wing politics because I don’t think you come at things with blind bias.......where as Sandymere plainly does do this. We could sit here all day long and trot out examples of what filthy bits of shit these politicians all are.......the bottom line is, debate is dead in politics, you can’t have honest conversations any more.....it’s all about the spin and the lies. None of these scumbags is clean in that regard. Totally agree, Jukel makes really sensible and decent points...it makes you question your own views a bit, which is a good thing imo... Just telling me labour us great because it ain't Tory wont wash... God knows if there will be a party us common blokes could really get behind....in fact you've got to question if there ever has been when you look at it without rose tinted specs.. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NEWKID 26,477 Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 34 minutes ago, Accip74 said: It’s a shame we are stuck in this cycle of left or right. I truly believe I’ve seen examples of good or well meaning people in both\all parties, but as a collective the game turns to pure shit! Until there’s a better way of deciding who runs the show I ain’t signing up for either side. Time & again they prove it just don’t work. Posted before I read this, well said mate.... Right I'm.gonna take this big dog out for a few hours with the lamp.... make the most of it incase the left wing nut cases get in!! Lol 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Accip74 7,112 Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 8 minutes ago, NEWKID said: Posted before I read this, well said mate.... Right I'm.gonna take this big dog out for a few hours with the lamp.... make the most of it incase the left wing nut cases get in!! Lol Good luck! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Accip74 7,112 Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 (edited) 28 minutes ago, jukel123 said: Wilf and Accip, maybe left and right are outdated terms. Fake news and spin make finding the truth even more difficult. But there's common sense and basic morality. Best to vote with your conscience and sense of decency and forget the labels. When the ‘Common Sense & Basic Morality Party’’ assemble they’ll get my vote! Edited November 21, 2019 by Accip74 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ginger beard 4,652 Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 59 minutes ago, Accip74 said: When the ‘Common Sense & Basic Morality Party’’ assemble they’ll get my vote! I'm on it now. 1 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 44,629 Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 2 hours ago, jukel123 said: Wilf and Accip, maybe left and right are outdated terms. Fake news and spin make finding the truth even more difficult. But there's common sense and basic morality. Best to vote with your conscience and sense of decency and forget the labels. It’s a bloody shame not many will, as Gnasher said the other day in a post, if you voted with your heart you may be surprised what can happen. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Nicepix 5,650 Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 11 hours ago, Accip74 said: It’s a shame we are stuck in this cycle of left or right. I truly believe I’ve seen examples of good or well meaning people in both\all parties, but as a collective the game turns to pure shit! Until there’s a better way of deciding who runs the show I ain’t signing up for either side. Time & again they prove it just don’t work. I don't agree abut the left / right swings. As I see it all we have had since Bliar is a drift towards centre--right. Bliar was the last right wing PM as far as I am concerned. All those who followed including Labour, Conservative and the Lib-Dems have tried to capture what is called the middle ground. UKIP were classed as Right Wing, but they only had one policy so don't really count. Left / Right politics is finished. It is all about capturing the popular vote without straying too far from the middle of the road. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 44,629 Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 8 minutes ago, Nicepix said: I don't agree abut the left / right swings. As I see it all we have had since Bliar is a drift towards centre--right. Bliar was the last right wing PM as far as I am concerned. All those who followed including Labour, Conservative and the Lib-Dems have tried to capture what is called the middle ground. UKIP were classed as Right Wing, but they only had one policy so don't really count. Left / Right politics is finished. It is all about capturing the popular vote without straying too far from the middle of the road. Trouble is, they shifted the middle of the road massively to the left ! 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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