Brexit

[sandymere 8,261]

https://www.quora.com/Why-are-Remainers-so-convinced-that-staying-in-the-European-Union-is-what-is-best-for-the-UK/answer/Barry-McGuinness-1?fbclid=IwAR01ix6BnZCNstcgir444URrwSnC3D6Y7nt5wN9jrCN6sgjoPGjvyl-U4Zg

 

[WILF 44,326]

3 minutes ago, sandymere said:

But to leave without a deal? After all there will have to be a deal if we leave so isn't it better to try to get it sorted before leaving?

The British democratic system is almost damaged beyond repair, because of the last 3 years there are many who will never bother to vote again........how is that any good to freedom and democracy.

If Boris didn’t follow through I believe British democracy is finished.......that will leave a vacuum and we have seen where disaffected people who feel alienated have turned in the past.

The talking head intelligencia on the telly always ask “How did Trump get elected?”.....”Why is Farage so popular?”........”Why are people turning to the right?”

They never stop for self reflection and ask if it is they themselves that have created fertile ground for these events.

If you keep disregarding the ordinary bloke and telling him he is a c#nt all the time......eventually it’s going to go tits up, always has, always will.

[king 11,664]

If that tramp Corbin and his cronies stop boris.

Then our only hope is farage in #10.

Now that I would love to see.

And millions or brits would aswell.

[Arry 18,610]

The Remoaners have seen to it we will never get a good deal by constantly ruling out on deal. It's like having your cards around the wrong way in a game of Poker. 

You have got to be able to walk from any deal if you don't like it. your just tying you own hands.

Steptoe and his momentum shower of shit and the Lid -Dem fecking TRAITORS have constantly put the sticks in the spokes of wheels democracy to try and get us to stay in the EU.

EU will not change the Deal.

Parliament will not except the Deal and have voted the Deal down several times.

So what's left.

Stay in the EU against the referendum result. FECK OFF

Leave with out a deal is the only thing left.

Get us out Boris.

Cheers Arry

[kanny 19,395]

 

[king 11,664]

8 minutes ago, kanny said:

 

He is spot on.wipe them all away from parliament and give Nigel a go.

It just might be falling into Nigels hands.

 

[sandymere 8,261]

1 hour ago, maxhardcore said:

So you think a democratic vote should not be upheld ?

As said politicians are there to uphold the will of the people ' not the ppposote.

I'd question the validity of the vote and look to give the people the choice of the options today, there are more options available and people are becoming better informed.

3 choices offered.

1. leave without a deal.

2. leave with the negotiated deal.

3. Remain a member of the EU.

Two rounds, leading two options from 1st round fight it out in a 2nd vote then no one can say they didn't have an option to vote for their choice.

At the moment the country is ripping itself apart and falling into recession and this is too important to not give it back to the people.

 

Edited September 3, 2019 by sandymere

[mushroom 12,391]

How can we remain in the EU? We voted out, so that scuppers that.

Weak politicians trying to feather their own interests have put paid to a good deal. (That and the fact the EU cannot allow the UK to leave with a good deal and be successful)

That leaves only one true democratic option left from your own choices

There was no option on the voting slip I ticked for leaving with a good deal or any deal for that matter! It was option a. In & option b. Out.

Anybody who thinks they have the right to go against the will of the majority (a democratic vote) should be banned permanently from politics. 

[WILF 44,326]

37 minutes ago, sandymere said:

I'd question the validity of the vote and look to give the people the choice of the options today, there are more options available and people are becoming better informed.

3 choices offered.

1. leave without a deal.

2. leave with the negotiated deal.

3. Remain a member of the EU.

Two rounds, leading two options from 1st round fight it out in a 2nd vote then no one can say they didn't have an option to vote for their choice.

At the moment the country is ripping itself apart and falling into recession and this is too important to not give it back to the people.

 

Are you seriously telling people that you see no danger in not honouring that vote ? 

And as for validity, how can the vote you propose have any weight if you simply choose to ignore the result of the first?......once that particular Pandora’s box is open then it’s open forever.

[Arry 18,610]

26 minutes ago, sandymere said:

I'd question the validity of the vote and look to give the people the choice of the options today, there are more options available and people are becoming better informed.

3 choices offered.

1. leave without a deal.

2. leave with the negotiated deal.

3. Remain a member of the EU.

Two rounds, leading two options from 1st round fight it out in a 2nd vote then no one can say they didn't have an option to vote for their choice.

At the moment the country is ripping itself apart and falling into recession and this is too important to not give it back to the people.

 

Just uphold the first Vote First. 

So you are proposing we scrap the result of the democratic referendum of 2016 ???????

Any way you and your remoaning mates can get remain back on the agenda you will bring this kind of thing up.

The vote has been done Sandy.

We had majority vote to leave. So staying in should be off the table. If not Democracy will be dead.

No vote in the future will have to be upheld.

Parliament can just ignore the people. Very very dangerous territory.

You now have a motley crew of cross party Traitors organising a coup to take over Parliament and take away the democratic will of the people.

Cheers Arry

[sandymere 8,261]

46 minutes ago, maxhardcore said:

Better Inforned ?

Dont you mean mis informed scare tactics over 3 years

Plenty of lies been told on both sides but  people are seeing that now which  is part of being better informed.

https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/list-of-brexit-lies

 

Edited September 3, 2019 by sandymere

[sandymere 8,261]

41 minutes ago, Arry said:

Just uphold the first Vote First. 

So you are proposing we scrap the result of the democratic referendum of 2016 ???????

Any way you and your remoaning mates can get remain back on the agenda you will bring this kind of thing up.

The vote has been done Sandy.

We had majority vote to leave. So staying in should be off the table. If not Democracy will be dead.

No vote in the future will have to be upheld.

Parliament can just ignore the people. Very very dangerous territory.

You now have a motley crew of cross party Traitors organising a coup to take over Parliament and take away the democratic will of the people.

Cheers Arry

Would another vote be undemocratic if undertaken with all the current choices, i would say the opposite.

 

[Greyman 25,274]

If sandy queer new anything about world politics he would no there is a global recession coming within the next two years zero to do with brexit and secondly the really fair options he proposes in his new referendum are loaded 2 to one in favour of staying, but when you just repeat what you are told that’s what happens and you end up looking like a total dick without even realising, 

[sandymere 8,261]

9 minutes ago, W. Katchum said:

Did you vote first time?

I always vote, it would be undemocratic not too

[sandymere 8,261]

8 minutes ago, Greyman said:

If sandy queer new anything about world politics he would no there is a global recession coming within the next two years zero to do with brexit and secondly the really fair options he proposes in his new referendum are loaded 2 to one in favour of staying, but when you just repeat what you are told that’s what happens and you end up looking like a total dick without even realising, 

Thats why I suggest a two stage vote, your personal insults just highlight your inability to formulate a meaningful, adult reply.