Trump Under Fire

[Born Hunter 18,170]

12 minutes ago, WILF said:

Why would we declare war on the Arab gulf states when they have leaders with great big f***ing sticks and a bevvy of executioners keeping all their peoples worst urges in check ?……the leaders are playing ball and doing well out of it…..if that changes to something more sinister, then yes, absolutely !

And again, yes, the answer is to just annihilate them until something we can live with happens.

Id have thought all that was self evident old chap, you can’t do anything else with these people…..as I keep saying and as history proves 

I guess I’m trying to establish that you recognise a viable alternative relationships to just annihilation. We’ve managed to find a way of working with the Arab gulf states that doesn’t involve just bombing them so it’s surely possible we can achieve the same with the Iranians?

You suggested that reasoning/diplomacy/trade is not an option for them but clearly it’s worked for the Arab gulf states. That’s why I ask if you include them as one and the same animal, which I know you do.

I’d argue that outright mindless violence is no more successful than pure western good will and decency. Bombing the shit out of them has a long history of failure when not aligned with a solid and achievable wider strategy of action.

One great example of “shock and awe” working as part of a robust strategy was the Gulf war.

Im not against the use of the military, so far from it, I’m just against damaging the greater strategic goals through an incoherent use of it. This war really feels like pure indulgence in violence from people who don’t have to risk a thing.

[mC HULL 18,604]

56 minutes ago, Born Hunter said:

Interestingly (to nerds like me), we’re already seeing US allies start to look elsewhere for their weapons. 6th gen fighter programmes like our own tempest are getting more interest from nations that currently run 4th gen US jets. Israel have too much of a strangle hold if the US to worry about that though.

Id be weary buying  the uk shit mate we aint got one ship that works ffs lol 

[Daniel cain 50,981]

23 hours ago, TRUEBRIT66 said:

That's not a win against the USA by any stretch of the imagination, I doubt the USA give a shite about the Strait of Hormuz they have there own oil supplies especially now Trump has control over Venezuelan oil.  

 

A crap comparison as well in all fairness. 

You still didn't answer my question should we just step back and allow Islamic regimes to become stronger? 

Was it not Isreal and America who first  put the islamic state in power in 1979?.. before that the CIA and MI6 interfered in the 50's..and then funded their chosen 'Puppets' and everyone else, ever since?..Use them to do the West's dirty work...then wipe them out, because they know too much...

[mC HULL 18,604]

2 minutes ago, Greyman said:

He only heard of Iran a month ago mate give him chance, 

Your talking about a few rich european educated runners that upped and ran not the iranian people who live there now the shah was hated 

Edited 8 hours ago by mC HULL

[WILF 53,356]

4 minutes ago, mC HULL said:

The wests idea of tolerance is to wipe out a full race a people or starve em to death or hung draw and quarter or drop a nuclear bomb or bomb country's night and day for no reason 

No reason ??

4 minutes ago, mC HULL said:

 

Treat everyone European the problems trying to make everyone European by force 

In many ways I agree, these people want no part of us beyond our money and goods and that is totally fine with me…..however, we have leaders and civil servants who don’t share that attitude.

They think it all has to go a lot further, that everyone wants to be all nicey nicey……like, we can’t just sell them some guns and let them happily kill whoever of their own they want to….oh no, we have to have an extra conversation about “gay rights” or “voting” when the place is tribal and has been ruled by warlords for thousands of years.

We used to know this stuff, we either went there, killed every f****r in the way and took the gaff over or we just sold them things or bought things and minded our business.

But the current western leader cadre mindset isn’t like that, them c**ts think you can buy the world a coke and all hold hands. 

4 minutes ago, mC HULL said:

The most ruthless c**t with the biggest stick.is the west us and now the usa ? 
 

We can be if we want to be….we don’t use that cultural trait nearly enough imho which is why all European army’s are in rag order…..these c**ts think you can buy everyone a soy latte and a vegan sausage roll and we will be friends.

4 minutes ago, mC HULL said:

 

Snakes do thinks like pass blankets on with smallpox to commit genocide or or drop a bomb from the sky you cant see coming on schools or gas people in chambers 

Again, we can be more brutal than anyone…..that’s gos back to the Germanic tribes…..and again, I don’t think we use that enough.

4 minutes ago, mC HULL said:

 

Younwant an idea why these people wont lay down uts the fact it there home they dont and won't allow Europeans to change that the same we never let the German 

We beat Germany bevause we conducted total war !…..in them days we understand that’s how you “win” 

4 minutes ago, mC HULL said:

To say they worse then the west is comical its not even close mate 

I didn’t say worse, I said different ! 

[mC HULL 18,604]

2 minutes ago, Daniel cain said:

Was it not Isreal and America who first  put the islamic state in power in 1979?.. before that the CIA and MI6 interfered in the 50's..and then funded their chosen 'Puppets' and everyone else, ever since?..Use them to do the West's dirty work...then wipe them out, because they know too much...

Don't tell.them they put the  shah in then oliver north etc cia funded and  armed the ayatollas iran contra shipped coke in to the usa started the crack epidemic again the usa play8ng divide and conquer 

 

[WILF 53,356]

26 minutes ago, chesney said:

Israel believe a handline is the only way to deal with them 

And they are right imho 

[mC HULL 18,604]

3 minutes ago, WILF said:

No reason ??

In many ways I agree, these people want no part of us beyond our money and goods and that is totally fine with me…..however, we have leaders and civil servants who don’t share that attitude.

They think it all has to go a lot further, that everyone wants to be all nicey nicey……like, we can’t just sell them some guns and let them happily kill whoever of their own they want to….oh no, we have to have an extra conversation about “gay rights” or “voting” when the place is tribal and has been ruled by warlords for thousands of years.

We used to know this stuff, we either went there, killed every f****r in the way and took the gaff over or we just sold them things or bought things and minded our business.

But the current western leader cadre mindset isn’t like that, them c**ts think you can buy the world a coke and all hold hands. 

We can be if we want to be….we don’t use that cultural trait nearly enough imho which is why all European army’s are in rag order…..these c**ts think you can buy everyone a soy latte and a vegan sausage roll and we will be friends.

Again, we can be more brutal than anyone…..that’s gos back to the Germanic tribes…..and again, I don’t think we use that enough.

We beat Germany bevause we conducted total war !…..in them days we understand that’s how you “win” 

I didn’t say worse, I said different ! 

Your full post point the finger at our leaders been the  problem in everything mate ?

[greg64 3,193]

14 minutes ago, mC HULL said:

you know this how ? Why didn't they overthrow them.like trump said they would.netanyahu said they would? 

Your just repeating what your told mate when was the last time yiu walked around iran and asked them 

Newsflash the west is the best at propaganda and lies no one comes close 

i have never walked around Iran and neither have you but by all accounts a big majority of of Iranians would like to have the freedoms they had before 1979 and do not support the current regime if they could have a vote

[WILF 53,356]

13 minutes ago, Born Hunter said:

I guess I’m trying to establish that you recognise a viable alternative relationships to just annihilation.

Of course there is, in my world it’s called be quiet and behave yourself or……

13 minutes ago, Born Hunter said:

We’ve managed to find a way of working with the Arab gulf states that doesn’t involve just bombing them so it’s surely possible we can achieve the same with the Iranians?

Different tribe, different warlords, different current relationship…..who is to say that lasts forever ?

Thats just not how the world works

13 minutes ago, Born Hunter said:

You suggested that reasoning/diplomacy/trade is not an option for them but clearly it’s worked for the Arab gulf states. That’s why I ask if you include them as one and the same animal, which I know you do.

As above 

13 minutes ago, Born Hunter said:

I’d argue that outright mindless violence is no more successful than pure western good will and decency. Bombing the shit out of them has a long history of failure when not aligned with a solid and achievable wider strategy of action.

I’d say it was extremely successful, it gave birth to and maintained the biggest empire the world has ever seen. 
Do you think that empire could have been established with a friendly chat and an invite to “Gay Pride 2026” ? 

13 minutes ago, Born Hunter said:

One great example of “shock and awe” working as part of a robust strategy was the Gulf war.

As I said previously, we are f***ing about half cocked all the time…..the Gulf was no different 

13 minutes ago, Born Hunter said:

Im not against the use of the military, so far from it, I’m just against damaging the greater strategic goals through an incoherent use of it. This war really feels like pure indulgence in violence from people who don’t have to risk a thing.

I wouldn’t be clever enough to discus strategic goals and all that mate…..I just know some things are set in stone

Im either getting what I want or what I can live with or I’m not 

Someone is either a danger or they are not

As clever as we all want to get, human relationships all boil down to that……we used to understand this stuff. 

[mC HULL 18,604]

5 minutes ago, greg64 said:

i have never walked around Iran and neither have you but by all accounts a big majority of of Iranians would like to have the freedoms they had before 1979 and do not support the current regime if they could have a vote

You realise the people overthrew the shah and British in 79 ?? They were loathed ? 

[WILF 53,356]

22 minutes ago, Daniel cain said:

Was it not Isreal and America who first  put the islamic state in power in 1979?.. before that the CIA and MI6 interfered in the 50's..and then funded their chosen 'Puppets' and everyone else, ever since?..Use them to do the West's dirty work...then wipe them out, because they know too much...

I don’t see anything wrong with that mate, you like a pair of shoes, you buy them…..they become uncomfortable after a while, you get a new pair of something else.

 

[WILF 53,356]

From what I can see, lots of people think everything always has to be complicated.

Now, while I agree most things are multi faceted I do believe we disappear up our own arse doing cartwheels thinking we are masters of basic human nature…..we ain’t !

 

[mC HULL 18,604]

1 minute ago, WILF said:

From what I can see, lots of people think everything always has to be complicated.

Now, while I agree most things are multi faceted I do believe we disappear up our own arse doing cartwheels thinking we are masters of basic human nature…..we ain’t !

 

We're the west robbing murdering thieving bustards always have been 

Im all for it just dont put my petrol up put it down  share the f***ing spoils lol

[Greyman 34,208]

33 minutes ago, mC HULL said:

Your talking about a few rich european educated runners that upped and ran not the iranian people who live there now the shah was hated 

Mate I have had Iranians in my circle for decades they fled there  country in the 70s when they were kids and grew up here with nothing some have never been able to go back and see there parents because of the Islamic regime that took over there country and are now in the process of taking over ours you are a total bell end talking barely eligible shite about things you know f**k all about apart from what Karen on Facebook told you or Dave the retarded window cleaner down the pub told you absolute embarrassment