BGD 6,437 Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 Plenty of lads out there in exactly the same conditions if not worse and they manage to do their tours without losing control and bringing disgrace on the forces. If they can't manage that they're in the wrong line of work IMO. Blackman obviously wasn't mentally suited to the military and maybe his CO's should have picked up on it and got him some help but at the end of the day he alone is responsible for his actions. How do you know that there were plenty of lads out there in the Exactley the same conditions Ever fire fight is diffrent as far as I know All people act differently under duress ever soldiers So basically if you fight for your country and fuc up , and there's been plenty that have, you get hung out to dry The lads in his unit were in exactly the same conditions and they didn't lose control and bring disgrace on the forces did they? Obviously everyone acts differently under duress and those who can't handle the stress and lose control don't belong in the armed forces, that's why Blackman was dismissed with disgrace Quote Link to post Share on other sites
THE STIFFMEISTER 17,362 Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 Max you don't have to tell me about nad e Ali , it was me who built the patrol bases 3 commando inherited on herrick 14 in that area I was among the first from 16aa to deploy on the ground and one of the last to leave nad south before flying home I find it utterly incomprehensible how his actions can be applauded or understood To put it into perspective, I didn't see one senior from 3 Para or 1 royal Irish act anything else except utterly professional throughout the two herricks I served on He should have been on the next flight out of theatre in my eyes Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Accip74 7,112 Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 Surely the ruling of diminished responsibility after 4 years has been contrived due to PR? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,951 Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 (edited) Plenty of lads out there in exactly the same conditions if not worse and they manage to do their tours without losing control and bringing disgrace on the forces. If they can't manage that they're in the wrong line of work IMO. Blackman obviously wasn't mentally suited to the military and maybe his CO's should have picked up on it and got him some help but at the end of the day he alone is responsible for his actions. How do you know that there were plenty of lads out there in the Exactley the same conditions Ever fire fight is diffrent as far as I know All people act differently under duress ever soldiers So basically if you fight for your country and fuc up , and there's been plenty that have, you get hung out to dry The lads in his unit were in exactly the same conditions and they didn't lose control and bring disgrace on the forces did they? Obviously everyone acts differently under duress and those who can't handle the stress and lose control don't belong in the armed forces, that's why Blackman was dismissed with disgrace Neither of us were there so all this is a bit daft but if you have read the reports from his court case you'll know that the other lads were not in the same situation as him. It was said that he was in command, having seen his superior at most twice in the 6 months he was at CP Omar. That they were operating at reduced man power from the previous team, 16 from 25. They were being pushed harder due to the reduced man power and Blackman took on more patrols to save the lads with kids taking the risk. He also felt he was specifically being targeted by the enemy in grenade attacks. Edited March 16, 2017 by Born Hunter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,951 Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 Surely the ruling of diminished responsibility after 4 years has been contrived due to PR? Possibly but then it was given to them on a plate with the first trial not considering certain pieces of evidence and therefore not offering manslaughter. I think that has always been the defences assertion since the first trial. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Accip74 7,112 Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 Surely the ruling of diminished responsibility after 4 years has been contrived due to PR? Possibly but then it was given to them on a plate with the first trial not considering certain pieces of evidence and therefore not offering manslaughter. I think that has always been the defences assertion since the first trial. Right I see. I'm still split on what is right & wrong is this case tbh.....Though obviously the 'Murder' verdict was very harsh under the circumstances, the technicalities are there for all to see. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,951 Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 Surely the ruling of diminished responsibility after 4 years has been contrived due to PR? Possibly but then it was given to them on a plate with the first trial not considering certain pieces of evidence and therefore not offering manslaughter. I think that has always been the defences assertion since the first trial. Right I see. I'm still split on what is right & wrong is this case tbh.....Though obviously the 'Murder' verdict was very harsh under the circumstances, the technicalities are there for all to see. I've supported him from the beginning. I'm not saying he wants a medal but I do believe we as a society need to a reality check regarding war and to treat what he did as simple murder was wrong. It's interesting to read Stiffs views and it's clear he holds himself to the highest standard and I take his opinion under advisement in making my own opinion on this. Along with many others' of course. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 50,716 Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 Max you don't have to tell me about nad e Ali , it was me who built the patrol bases 3 commando inherited on herrick 14 in that area I was among the first from 16aa to deploy on the ground and one of the last to leave nad south before flying home I find it utterly incomprehensible how his actions can be applauded or understood To put it into perspective, I didn't see one senior from 3 Para or 1 royal Irish act anything else except utterly professional throughout the two herricks I served on He should have been on the next flight out of theatre in my eyes Taxi for David and Max please ! Lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
David.evans 5,323 Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 You have my respect stiff , doing what you had to do in a very difficult surrounding , and that's the truth ! But I don't know if you were ever out on patrol , and if you were , and some thing happened , that's between you and your maker , As said befor some lads have done 3 tours , and more and never been shot at , some have had a mountain of rounds coming down on them , most live to tell the tale so to speak , and some poor sods never did Each to there own , but right or wrong if you reverce the rolls , do you think the taliban wouldn't have done the same , the only diffrence being they have nobody to answer to , except alla Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 50,716 Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 I think I can safely say David, the bloke knows what he is talking about 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
David.evans 5,323 Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 Yep Your right wilf get me out of hear ! Pick me up please and take me to the pub , kind sir ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DIDO.1 22,864 Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 I don't really know how to feel about it. I would always support our troops. I'm not sad that the rag head is dead...But...Iv spoken to 3 men who think he was in the wrong and deserved what he got. One is ex military police who served in difficult situations in NI. The other is a family member who was high ranking and served a long and distinguished career (his father fought in North Africa with the desert rats). The third is my brother who served in the army, foreign legion, navy and finallythe marines. All three of them know what it's like to be under serious pressure....All three think to laugh, shout 'who wants to see a war crime' and execute someone is wrong nobody cares what you think your mates are probally as arrogant as you Hahaha Suck it up flower, no need to spit you your dummy out. I agree with Nicola sturgeon, who was democratically elected by your countrymen.... Nothing to get all pmt about. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bird 10,014 Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 im sure he turn it into an earner, book, the film, chat shows, he do alright out of it no chat show's , but deff a book or a film , will come out of it , they will make it a good reward for him to tell his tale of it , and put in book or on sliver screen , you watch what happens in the next couple of years , the be a film about prob with a english actor lead role , somebody like tom hardy 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogMan85 722 Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 (edited) I can see it from both sides but doesn't our professionalism set us apart? Edited March 16, 2017 by DogMan85 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
riohog 5,939 Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 im sure he turn it into an earner, book, the film, chat shows, he do alright out of it no chat show's , but deff a book or a film , will come out of it , they will make it a good reward for him to tell his tale of it , and put in book or on sliver screen , you watch what happens in the next couple of years , the be a film about prob with a english actor lead role , somebody like tom hardy well strike while the irons hot an milk it while he can, it be like every other murder forgot about in a month or two im not sure he will be aloud to .all servicemen sighn the oficial secrets act . so he may well have to keep it to himself . 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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