socks 32,253 Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 Seems like trump may well allow his security boys to re start the water boarding lessons for terrorists that Obama stopped ......... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stealthy1 3,964 Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 I like him more and more all the time. 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
walshie 2,804 Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 Obama just didn't want them doing that to his relatives. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nik_B 3,790 Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 Seems like trump may well allow his security boys to re start the water boarding lessons for terrorists that Obama stopped ......... MSM are misrepresenting a few things like the 'black site' paper that was 'leaked. Aside from that if it stops one attack I can't see the problem. The bigger issue he has to tackle is reigning in the Saudis and Qatars who with the help of the CIA have helped create ISIS and AQ, Trump has inferred he is aware of this on a couple of occasions. Number 1 put Saudi balls in a vice, reign in their funding of extreme schools/mosques or they get cut off from the global community.....this would solve most problems in the future. Otherwise we are just battling with a self made problem which is very convenient as the government can keep adding more and more draconian laws....which of course they want! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
king 11,671 Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 Anyone who would lock a human in a cage. Cover in petrol and set them alight. Deserves alot more than water boarding. Donald trump is the man. 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Deadeye18 164 Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 (edited) Brilliant! Edited January 26, 2017 by Deadeye18 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DIDO.1 21,029 Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 The MSM and the lefties are crying the loudest.....Increasing amounts of people across America and the world are sat thinking YES! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lid 194 Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 It's interesting that the only posts on this thread so far are in favour. However in my opinion the state should never be allowed to torture nor kill. When they have these powers, there is nothing to stop the state from torturing and killing whoever they want to. But it's only for those who've committed crimes that are evil enough or severe enough to warrant it, say many. Unfortunately that argument simply does not hold water, and history has proven this. By condoning torture (and capital punishment), we make civilised society no better than the barbarians we fear. There are ways to extract information from the enemy without lowering ourselves to physical torture. Bear in mind too that if we continue to torture suspects in the West, the enemy will feel justified when they torture and kill captured allied service personnel. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
desertbred 5,490 Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 Alls fair in love and war whats good for the goose etc be interesting to see who blinks first. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
delswal 3,817 Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 It's interesting that the only posts on this thread so far are in favour. However in my opinion the state should never be allowed to torture nor kill. When they have these powers, there is nothing to stop the state from torturing and killing whoever they want to. But it's only for those who've committed crimes that are evil enough or severe enough to warrant it, say many. Unfortunately that argument simply does not hold water, and history has proven this. By condoning torture (and capital punishment), we make civilised society no better than the barbarians we fear. There are ways to extract information from the enemy without lowering ourselves to physical torture. Bear in mind too that if we continue to torture suspects in the West, the enemy will feel justified when they torture and kill captured allied service personnel. They already do, If torturing a terrorist for information saves hundreds of lives so be it. What other method of extraction can you think of?? free meals and holidays for life for any information given?? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
walshie 2,804 Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 I've never understood why they tell anyone what they get up to. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
desertbred 5,490 Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 I've never understood why they tell anyone what they get up to. Because it makes them feel special 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lid 194 Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 It's interesting that the only posts on this thread so far are in favour. However in my opinion the state should never be allowed to torture nor kill. When they have these powers, there is nothing to stop the state from torturing and killing whoever they want to. But it's only for those who've committed crimes that are evil enough or severe enough to warrant it, say many. Unfortunately that argument simply does not hold water, and history has proven this. By condoning torture (and capital punishment), we make civilised society no better than the barbarians we fear. There are ways to extract information from the enemy without lowering ourselves to physical torture. Bear in mind too that if we continue to torture suspects in the West, the enemy will feel justified when they torture and kill captured allied service personnel. They already do, If torturing a terrorist for information saves hundreds of lives so be it. What other method of extraction can you think of?? free meals and holidays for life for any information given?? I know, that is why I said 'will feel justified'! One thing is for sure, we have no clue whether or not physical torture of suspected terrorists will achieve anything. It's 2017 - we now have effective ways to obtain information without waterboarding,etc. There's plenty of material out there via google, for example. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 44,408 Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 It's interesting that the only posts on this thread so far are in favour. However in my opinion the state should never be allowed to torture nor kill. When they have these powers, there is nothing to stop the state from torturing and killing whoever they want to. But it's only for those who've committed crimes that are evil enough or severe enough to warrant it, say many. Unfortunately that argument simply does not hold water, and history has proven this. By condoning torture (and capital punishment), we make civilised society no better than the barbarians we fear. There are ways to extract information from the enemy without lowering ourselves to physical torture. Bear in mind too that if we continue to torture suspects in the West, the enemy will feel justified when they torture and kill captured allied service personnel. While I agree pretty much with this post I will however repeat what I watched a senior Texas law enforcement officer say about the death penalty on a TV documentary. He said that we as a society grant each other certain rights and in return we expect normal human behaviour........once you step outside that boundary of normal behaviour then we are well within our rights to say we no longer grant you a place amongst normal human beings and reserve to right to remove you from amongst us permanently.......you have in effect forefitted your rights as a human. That made a lot of sense to me, but I agree that it's a dangerous power to grant governments 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
desertbred 5,490 Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 (edited) It's interesting that the only posts on this thread so far are in favour. However in my opinion the state should never be allowed to torture nor kill. When they have these powers, there is nothing to stop the state from torturing and killing whoever they want to. But it's only for those who've committed crimes that are evil enough or severe enough to warrant it, say many. Unfortunately that argument simply does not hold water, and history has proven this. By condoning torture (and capital punishment), we make civilised society no better than the barbarians we fear. There are ways to extract information from the enemy without lowering ourselves to physical torture. Bear in mind too that if we continue to torture suspects in the West, the enemy will feel justified when they torture and kill captured allied service personnel. They already do, If torturing a terrorist for information saves hundreds of lives so be it. What other method of extraction can you think of?? free meals and holidays for life for any information given?? I know, that is why I said 'will feel justified'! One thing is for sure, we have no clue whether or not physical torture of suspected terrorists will achieve anything. It's 2017 - we now have effective ways to obtain information without waterboarding,etc. There's plenty of material out here via google, for example. Can think of plenty of ways to extract information that are far superior to waterboarding. Edited January 26, 2017 by desertbred Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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