Plummer Cross Bedlington Terrier

[rob284 1,678]

If a dog carries a dominant black allele it is still possible for the dog to show red over black, providing it carries another gene with two recessive alleles of red.

[stop.end 4,079]

No expert but I do have a basic grasp of mendels law of segregation. If an animal carries one dominant gene,it will display that genotype. Self colour is dominant. Unless the patt has recessives from other breeds,eg russell,so not pure patt.

what is a pure patt?

[stormyboy 1,352]

From many generations of Patt! lol

[stormyboy 1,352]

If a dog carries a dominant black allele it is still possible for the dog to show red over black, providing it carries another gene with two recessive alleles of red.

 

True. However, Plummer colour and coat pattern is double recessive and if the patt used is self coloured, all pups will also be. Unless the patt used carries recessive genes for such markings. Which would mean that there is russell or similar in its ancestry. Thats what I mean by "pure patt".

[morton 5,367]

It's only a fiver lol just pay it and get pics up lol are either parents a show winner? Wanna get that in before you stick a price up lollol

 

Let's hope Morton an wirralman don't see this tho as there will be a serious argument about who brings what to the litter lol never mind what price should be lol

Price should never come into the equation when breeding a litter of working terriers,when it does its often a sure sign of a litter bred with little work ethic,at times.Id not put a Beddy over a coloured terrier and i cannot fathom why the owner of a working one would, a chancer wanting to charge a stud fee from their Working? Beddy may think differently.From a working viewpoint i believe the cross may make for a more than useful hunting companion,if bred with honest working intent,id much prefer a Beddy or a Plummer that will nearly do the same job,an awful lot of terrier types are nearly as good as a genuine Beddy .

[foxdropper 17,092]

That's your half breeds out then Mort .The genuine article is all but lost to history .

[morton 5,367]

That's your half breeds out then Mort .The genuine article is all but lost to history .

The reason you half breed is to breed truer to type a few generations later,possibly why i went the Fell route that had Beddy ancestry and not to a coloured terrier that did not,would not and could not further the breed .History learnt some of us that breed towards work,from workers,towards a type that throws type,from workers,that are a type of terrier will eventually produce a terrier of a certain type that grafts.If it fails to produce grafters,if it fails to throw to type,then advertise them on here at £400 a pop and they will soon find a fitting kennel.How many shall i put you down for?.

[stop.end 4,079]

so are they types now then or breeds? throw a pic up to I get a peek!

[morton 5,367]

so are they types now then or breeds? throw a pic up to I get a peek!

I still don,t do pics and have yet to find a camera that depicts a dogs working ability,do you own such an instrument?.

[TOPPER 1,809]

hienz 57 s springs to mind and a little dash of everything to make the world go round

[the duke 54]

Recessive genes, half bred double bred dominant colouring.... I'll stick to the basics a dog that stays til dug over a bitch that stays til dug

[Plucky1 1,119]

Recessive genes, half bred double bred dominant colouring.... I'll stick to the basics a dog that stays til dug over a bitch that stays til dug

Duke,if only life was that simple, the further you get away from known parentage, the more scatter bred they become,not only making it uncertain of colour, stamp,etc, but also uncertain of working ability, thats why the likes of Nuttall,Chapman,Mouseley,etc all went back to basics when starting a line,years ago there were only a handful of breeders specialising in one type, i.e.: Patts,Russells,etc and if you were after a guaranteed worker providing you had the dosh they would sell you one, whereas now there are loads of wannabes that are putting worker / worker as you say but still producing sh*te, there is no quick way to quality, you may get lucky here and there but genetics will always come out in the end, WM

[foxdropper 17,092]

 

That's your half breeds out then Mort .The genuine article is all but lost to history .

The reason you half breed is to breed truer to type a few generations later,possibly why i went the Fell route that had Beddy ancestry and not to a coloured terrier that did not,would not and could not further the breed .History learnt some of us that breed towards work,from workers,towards a type that throws type,from workers,that are a type of terrier will eventually produce a terrier of a certain type that grafts.If it fails to produce grafters,if it fails to throw to type,then advertise them on here at £400 a pop and they will soon find a fitting kennel.How many shall i put you down for?.

 

I know all about the whys mate but is it not true that genuine Beddy full bloods are on the decline for work .See to me, and i know a few lads that have them ,i cant get my head around persevering with a breed that needs a half cross to continue .Why not work the fell type thats doing it and cut losses .Dont get me wrong i respect the men such as yourself and others for trying but life is too short for what ifs .Answer to your last question is you can put down as many as you like for me lol

Plucky .......good post .

[dillydog 8,416]

 

Recessive genes, half bred double bred dominant colouring.... I'll stick to the basics a dog that stays til dug over a bitch that stays til dug

 

Duke,if only life was that simple, the further you get away from known parentage, the more scatter bred they become,not only making it uncertain of colour, stamp,etc, but also uncertain of working ability, thats why the likes of Nuttall,Chapman,Mouseley,etc all went back to basics when starting a line,years ago there were only a handful of breeders specialising in one type, i.e.: Patts,Russells,etc and if you were after a guaranteed worker providing you had the dosh they would sell you one, whereas now there are loads of wannabes that are putting worker / worker as you say but still producing sh*te, there is no quick way to quality, you may get lucky here and there but genetics will always come out in the end, WM

Are you sure you're not a black dog owner on the quiet ? Your best post to date

[hjckcff 1,737]

i'm also a fan of worker to worker -from workers. more than one way to skin a cat .