Further Update On New Lurcher Association

[paulus 26]

Agreed Paulus

arse licker

[FUJI 16,300]

 

 

Agreed Paulus

arse licker

Not me loverboy haha..but if something has been tried and seen to fail over a prolonged period why revert back to it? Its what's known as a backward step or in layman's terms plain fukcing idiotic call it what you will? Lol

[paulus 26]

 

 

Agreed Paulus

arse licker

Not me loverboy haha..but if something has been tried and seen to fail over a prolonged period why revert back to it? Its what's known as a backward step or in layman's terms plain fukcing idiotic call it what you will? Lol

 

Agreed FUJI

[stealthy1 3,964]

No club can survive in this modern world based on using mongrels to hunt rabbits and rats, it has to have a little bit more to it than that.

[South hams hunter 8,837]

Think its because paulus this new group just popped up out of nowhere and is seemingly just a thl based thing.

[paulus 26]

Think its because paulus this new group just popped up out of nowhere and is seemingly just a thl based thing.

no its on moochers too this new group only popped up when the original steering committee on here went ahead without the old school tie brigade who voted themselves onto a committee and are trying to promote the reinvention of the square wheel as a way forward .

[wild rover 548]

 

 

 

As i have stated else where, and it was my intention to remain silent until we ( hopefully) set up a meeting with Alan and Your steering group ,

Desertbred and Paulus are doing a great job of knocking down bridges that have been built.

I suggest You use some decorum, as Your peers are.

would that be the same decorum as that used to re brand and elect a committee without approaching the group that was already looking into starting a group, something that yourselves accused that group of doing without consulting yourselves, speaking for myself. what is the point in re instating a group that has consisted of one man for over 20 years that very few of the new generation of dog lads have ever even herd of, who you say has done so much for the last 20 years that we find our self still under represented and look upon as the dark sheep of the hunting world. where was this when the media was informing everyone that all lurcher work is illegal etc all over national tv and the press, where was this when the animal welfare bill was brought in so the rspca could use it in place of the hunting act to get lads banned for keeping dogs for life and extortionate kenneling and legal cost. google search shows nothing from the association since about 2000, i am sorry to say that a change and a united front is the only way to move forward the old ways never worked back then so why stick to them now. everybody wants the same thing as far as more representation goes but using the same old methods will only achieve what has happened in the past 20 or more years, a vote for change is a vote for the future

 

I am not currently connected with any of the two groups but I have some history and posted the following earlier, I would like to add a bit of history to the debate, after reading comments by the younger members about why wasnt it done years ago, it was, and I have been through all this ground prior to the Hunting Act, from about 1996 up until the Act 2004, the older senior people were involved and did achieve what this group are trying to resurrect then it was done through the National Lurcher and Racing Club and The Association of Lurcher Clubs, The ALC was the Lurcher Organisation the Countryside Alliance recognised as the main representative of Lurchers with them and the Council of Hunting. Many of the Countryside Alliance County Committees had a Lurcher Representative as the local voice for Lurchers. During this time a Lurcher Submission was also produced for the ALC by a member (Which can be found online) in the defence of Lurcher work, this was part of the Inquiry into Hunting with Dogs.

Many of the people involved organised area meetings and rallys, attended in force all the Hyde Park Rally and march through London, Lurcher owners and Lurcher Clubs spent a great deal of time lobbying MP's, Lurcher owners were represented with the CA at the Labour Party Conference in Blackpool in 1997, attending fringe meetings and supporting hunting in general at all the debates in Blackpool. This is additional to monthly county CA meetings ensuring Lurchers were included all along the way, then Council of Hunting meetings , meetings in London and the regions with the Association of Lurcher Clubs.

Sadly after the Hunting Act became law, all the organisations, CA, COH, Masters of Foxhounds, NWTF, AOL and many more took the finger off the pulse, due to the Act and the Government of the time's stance on hunting they went and stayed quiet until the recent governments vote seeking repeal of hunting, this is where all that work will have to be repeated and took forward to get back to the days prior to the ban, Good luck.

.I would like to add Paulus that your information is incorrect, google speak with forked tongue, The Association of Lurcher Clubs and The National Lurcher and Racing Club both provided submissions in 2003/4 for the Associate Parliamentary Group For Animal Welfare,as did other members of the Council of Hunting Associations. So im afraid your guesstimate of 20 years is a little exaggerated, my own thoughts are that if the new steering group are struggling to unite a couple of dozen on here then they may struggle to achieve what the earlier organisations have done. What needs to be done is to put personalities to one side, both sides meet and come up with a strategy to go forward with, until it is done the lurcher fraternity will be fragmented. Onwards and Upwards.

 

the new steering group is struggling because the old group has come out of the woodwork after all this time, 20 years or 13 years makes no difference does it, the same as all thats been done in the past made no difference, this is why i say a new approach is needed not the same old same old that has already proven to fail.

 

Sorry but if all the above mentioned work by previous lurcher organisation is classed as failure then all the other organisations CA, NWTF,MFA, COH etc that worked together failed, I would suggest that somewhere amongst them there was some very clever people involved, but I think no matter what they did the Hunting ban was coming and they were just treading water but its nice to see someone is going to get us swimming again and I can understand your reluctance to work with any of them.

 

Having voiced my opinions I have no wish to go over old ground all the time and will now leave the finer points to the powers that be, good luck.

Edited October 23, 2015 by wild rover

[desertbred 5,490]

Think its because paulus this new group just popped up out of nowhere and is seemingly just a thl based thing.

If the was no need for a new group why would these folk put time and effort plus there own money into something that is not needed. The previous groups were in hibernation or where since 2004 they raised a public profile after LAGBI declared its intentions that is what happened and after realising the support was growing for LAGBI the old regime even went into overdrive to rename the old ALC basically because the baggage it had from previous years they felt threatened by the new group called Lagbi especially after Tim Bonner from C/A agreed to meet representatives from LAGBI and hear its proposals this is when the old school tried to resurrect itself all they have succeeded in doing is alienating a lot more people. Now there is I believe a proposal to hear from Alan Tyer when he is available this may be a way out of what seems an impass, we all will just have to wait and see what is the outcome.

 

Rob (dewclaw69) who resigned from the steering group of LAGBI today, hit the nail on the head that if Lagbi achieves nothing else at least it stirred other sleeping groups into action lets see where it leads

Edited October 23, 2015 by desertbred

[South hams hunter 8,837]

Desertbred im not disagreeing that just replying to what paulus said, why the old ones have suddenly reappeared

[Dewclaw69 484]

Desertbred im not disagreeing that just replying to what paulus said, why the old ones have suddenly reappeared

when the new group first "popped up" it was populated by folk from here and moochers.

[stealthy1 3,964]

 

Desertbred im not disagreeing that just replying to what paulus said, why the old ones have suddenly reappeared

when the new group first "popped up" it was populated by folk from here and moochers.

 

 

Start your own club, it's the only way to find out who's right, and run it the way you want to.

[Giro 2,648]

The AWL is far from alienated..

 

People are joining..

 

There is genuine intrest from people and if they like what they hear, I am confident they will join or at least support what is trying to be achevied.

 

No one went into overdrive..

 

If you want to sensationalise and make up what you don't know - just ask.

 

We had the Article that states, what the club is and what it intends to do..

 

Social media is in place and a website is bring polished and finalised.

 

It's all set up and in motion.

 

That's just the beginning there is plenty more to come.

 

I personally don't wish to get dragged into these Internet shernanagins.

 

Foranyone who's intrested,the Facebook page is live but very young in its development & obviously the previously mentioned article in the CMW .

 

I've personally have no wish to pick fights on here, there is a bigger battle to contend with..

 

Happy Hunting. .

Edited October 23, 2015 by Giro

[Lenmcharristar 9,180]

Good luck to everyone and anyone who does good work to promote hunters is a positive light and fight for full repeal.

[South hams hunter 8,837]

You have a link for the page giro?

[J Darcy 5,871]

Madness........