socks 32,253 Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 We all know people who go through dogs like baw and the brick go through user names ... There are plenty of them on here ... So is it down to their lack of abilities as a trainer that they can't get the best out of a dog or is it that their standards are very high and if a dog doesn't make the grade then it doesn't stay ??? ... I don't know whether I am a half decent trainer or I have very low standards lol but I have been fortunate over the years that I haven't had to move dogs on apart from injuries that stopped them working ......... 1 Quote Link to post
northern lad 2,292 Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 Think you just answered your own question Ken Quote Link to post
RossM 7,979 Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 I thought some c**t had bought you a pair of hi techs for Christmas...... 2 Quote Link to post
cantona 310 Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 Most who chop and change don't no what they want so they never get it 2 Quote Link to post
paulus 26 Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 We all know people who go through dogs like baw and the brick go through user names ... There are plenty of them on here ... So is it down to their lack of abilities as a trainer that they can't get the best out of a dog or is it that their standards are very high and if a dog doesn't make the grade then it doesn't stay ??? ... I don't know whether I am a half decent trainer or I have very low standards lol but I have been fortunate over the years that I haven't had to move dogs on apart from injuries that stopped them working ......... Quote Link to post
jack68 628 Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 To me all dogs if you are honest with are selves have a weakness in one way or an other, and at times it can be that that starts to grates us thinking they must be better dogs out there. If the dog has a weakness most will say work on it and in time your dog should come good, but we all no that's not always true and again we start to fall out with the dog. I as said am not the best at training a dog to a high standed of obedience but i dont want a robotic dog but one that if on the other side of a hedge can work things out for it self. That being said you should always work your dog to its strength and the rest will be bearable...atb 5 Quote Link to post
J Darcy 5,871 Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 But it's not just about obedience, but also ability. A man can only do so much, in the end the dog has to do his part too. And some don't make the grade, pure and simple. You can train them to do anything, sit, stay, lie, retrieve fur/feather/land/water, they work the gun perfect, the long net, the ferret, but if they are bottleless and don't have the minerals to hunt what their owner wants them to hunt then there's nothing,nothing he can do about that. The Higher the standards, the higher the wastage. The hardest thing is being honest with yourself sometimes. Even with the best dog man in the world, there comes a day when the dog is on his own and then the truth comes out.... 17 Quote Link to post
toby1066 413 Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 spot on Quote Link to post
socks 32,253 Posted December 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 But it's not just about obedience, but also ability. A man can only do so much, in the end the dog has to do his part too. And some don't make the grade, pure and simple. You can train them to do anything, sit, stay, lie, retrieve fur/feather/land/water, they work the gun perfect, the long net, the ferret, but if they are bottleless and don't have the minerals to hunt what their owner wants them to hunt then there's nothing,nothing he can do about that. The Higher the standards, the higher the wastage. The hardest thing is being honest with yourself sometimes. Even with the best dog man in the world, there comes a day when the dog is on his own and then the truth comes out.... But that can also come down to the skill of the owner on how he enters the dog to each of its quarry ... If it's rushed then the most potential of dogs could be spoiled and if held back the full potential may never come to the forefront ... Obviously you get bad dogs as with all things in life but I was talking about guys that continually swap sell buy new dogs ... Every dog they have had can't be a bad dog surely ??? .............. 4 Quote Link to post
johnny 2 367 Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 We all know people who go through dogs like baw and the brick go through user names ... There are plenty of them on here ... So is it down to their lack of abilities as a trainer that they can't get the best out of a dog or is it that their standards are very high and if a dog doesn't make the grade then it doesn't stay ??? ... I don't know whether I am a half decent trainer or I have very low standards lol but I have been fortunate over the years that I haven't had to move dogs on apart from injuries that stopped them working ......... Well not everyone can be as good as you.Good hunting 1 Quote Link to post
socks 32,253 Posted December 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 We all know people who go through dogs like baw and the brick go through user names ... There are plenty of them on here ... So is it down to their lack of abilities as a trainer that they can't get the best out of a dog or is it that their standards are very high and if a dog doesn't make the grade then it doesn't stay ??? ... I don't know whether I am a half decent trainer or I have very low standards lol but I have been fortunate over the years that I haven't had to move dogs on apart from injuries that stopped them working ......... Well not everyone can be as good as you.Good hunting No that is very true ......... 1 Quote Link to post
J Darcy 5,871 Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 But it's not just about obedience, but also ability. A man can only do so much, in the end the dog has to do his part too. And some don't make the grade, pure and simple. You can train them to do anything, sit, stay, lie, retrieve fur/feather/land/water, they work the gun perfect, the long net, the ferret, but if they are bottleless and don't have the minerals to hunt what their owner wants them to hunt then there's nothing,nothing he can do about that. The Higher the standards, the higher the wastage. The hardest thing is being honest with yourself sometimes. Even with the best dog man in the world, there comes a day when the dog is on his own and then the truth comes out.... But that can also come down to the skill of the owner on how he enters the dog to each of its quarry ... If it's rushed then the most potential of dogs could be spoiled and if held back the full potential may never come to the forefront ... Obviously you get bad dogs as with all things in life but I was talking about guys that continually swap sell buy new dogs ... Every dog they have had can't be a bad dog surely ??? .............. You sound like my old adversary Crow..... No matter how 'careful' you enter the dog, one day you aint there to hold his hand. Quote Link to post
DeerhoundLurcherMan 997 Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 But it's not just about obedience, but also ability. A man can only do so much, in the end the dog has to do his part too. And some don't make the grade, pure and simple. You can train them to do anything, sit, stay, lie, retrieve fur/feather/land/water, they work the gun perfect, the long net, the ferret, but if they are bottleless and don't have the minerals to hunt what their owner wants them to hunt then there's nothing,nothing he can do about that. The Higher the standards, the higher the wastage. The hardest thing is being honest with yourself sometimes. Even with the best dog man in the world, there comes a day when the dog is on his own and then the truth comes out.... But that can also come down to the skill of the owner on how he enters the dog to each of its quarry ... If it's rushed then the most potential of dogs could be spoiled and if held back the full potential may never come to the forefront ... Obviously you get bad dogs as with all things in life but I was talking about guys that continually swap sell buy new dogs ... Every dog they have had can't be a bad dog surely ??? .............. They also always seem to buy adult dogs, rather than fetch a pup on themselves...... Quote Link to post
socks 32,253 Posted December 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 But it's not just about obedience, but also ability. A man can only do so much, in the end the dog has to do his part too. And some don't make the grade, pure and simple. You can train them to do anything, sit, stay, lie, retrieve fur/feather/land/water, they work the gun perfect, the long net, the ferret, but if they are bottleless and don't have the minerals to hunt what their owner wants them to hunt then there's nothing,nothing he can do about that. The Higher the standards, the higher the wastage. The hardest thing is being honest with yourself sometimes. Even with the best dog man in the world, there comes a day when the dog is on his own and then the truth comes out.... But that can also come down to the skill of the owner on how he enters the dog to each of its quarry ... If it's rushed then the most potential of dogs could be spoiled and if held back the full potential may never come to the forefront ... Obviously you get bad dogs as with all things in life but I was talking about guys that continually swap sell buy new dogs ... Every dog they have had can't be a bad dog surely ??? .............. You sound like my old adversary Crow..... No matter how 'careful' you enter the dog, one day you aint there to hold his hand. I totally agree ... But don't you agree that the better entered dog will do better ? ....... Quote Link to post
Bosun11 537 Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 But it's not just about obedience, but also ability. A man can only do so much, in the end the dog has to do his part too. And some don't make the grade, pure and simple. You can train them to do anything, sit, stay, lie, retrieve fur/feather/land/water, they work the gun perfect, the long net, the ferret, but if they are bottleless and don't have the minerals to hunt what their owner wants them to hunt then there's nothing,nothing he can do about that. The Higher the standards, the higher the wastage. The hardest thing is being honest with yourself sometimes. Even with the best dog man in the world, there comes a day when the dog is on his own and then the truth comes out.... But that can also come down to the skill of the owner on how he enters the dog to each of its quarry ... If it's rushed then the most potential of dogs could be spoiled and if held back the full potential may never come to the forefront ... Obviously you get bad dogs as with all things in life but I was talking about guys that continually swap sell buy new dogs ... Every dog they have had can't be a bad dog surely ??? .............. You sound like my old adversary Crow..... No matter how 'careful' you enter the dog, one day you aint there to hold his hand. I totally agree ... But don't you agree that the better entered dog will do better ? ....... Not necessarily.... Quote Link to post
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