Outlaw Pete 2,224 Posted May 26, 2013 Report Share Posted May 26, 2013 Nik; When you consider that it's been clinically proven that a man with a knife is a very lethal threat to a man with a gun, the moment he gets within quite a distance of the gunman? I think " Balls of Titanium Steel " slightly better sums up any armed Police officer willing to accept that he or she is only allowed to fire at the knifemans legs. Personally? Lay That sort of restriction on me and I'd hand the gun back. Me? I'd want to be able to plant my feet and enpty the entire f**king magazine into the c**ts torso. All the time being dimly aware of the hot gravy flooding down my legs as I emit a high pitched keening sound of abject fear. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lab 10,979 Posted May 26, 2013 Report Share Posted May 26, 2013 They were probably told to try not to kill them so that they could glean some information at a later date. All those people saying that the fuzz should've killed them on arrival are doing so with the benefit of hindsight. Just stop and imagine the response if one of the people passing by had managed to disarm the killers. Fuzz turn up and see a black man standing over a body and holding a knife and a meat cleaver and kill him stone dead. That would make him another dead hero in my book. No, I think that for once, the Met did the right thing. That's Hollywood stuff though ain't it. If that did happen then the innocent party would put the gun down and he wouldn't be charging the police. We don't torture folk here for evidence so I'm not sure what info they will extract from a couple of brain washed wankers. Nope a bullet in the head would have been better. I've watched the video now umpteen times..... The first guy runs at police, before he gets there he throws down his knife and he is dropped with 2 shots. Now he drops like he is out, not like he has been shot in the legs. 2nd guy is pointing the pistol at them so that should be an instant kill in my book.....I honestly think that the armed police are either just rusty or f***ing useless. I mean the first cop couldn't even get her gun out quick enough ffs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
the_stig 6,614 Posted May 26, 2013 Report Share Posted May 26, 2013 when he said he felt it was something he had to do -- I felt for him -------------- 100s of flowers laid out very moving I saw a news report video. A soldier saluting the spot. That did it for me. I just burst into f**king tears. a lot of reporters and tv crews about aswell as public --- not sure but I think his family may have been yesterday ,,,, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The one 8,592 Posted May 26, 2013 Report Share Posted May 26, 2013 Wasn't it done just outside the barracks , wouldnt the guards be armed ?. we where talking about this last night would or could the sentry soliders came out and shot them ?. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ArchieHood 3,692 Posted May 26, 2013 Report Share Posted May 26, 2013 Wasn't it done just outside the barracks , wouldnt the guards be armed ?. we where talking about this last night would or could the sentry soliders came out and shot them ?. .....and be charged with murder? Once they pass the sentry they are on public land not MOD. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
neems 2,406 Posted May 26, 2013 Report Share Posted May 26, 2013 Wasn't it done just outside the barracks , wouldnt the guards be armed ?. we where talking about this last night would or could the sentry soliders came out and shot them ?. .....and be charged with murder? Once they pass the sentry they are on public land not MOD. I'm certain they wouldn't have been able to see what happened,it wasn't that noisy either. any man worth his salt would have run out and slotted them both if he seen what was happening and was armed,let alone a soldier. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 31,602 Posted May 26, 2013 Report Share Posted May 26, 2013 I've watched the video now umpteen times..... The first guy runs at police, before he gets there he throws down his knife and he is dropped with 2 shots. Now he drops like he is out, not like he has been shot in the legs. Ive watched it a few times as well......he had a chopper and a knife when he was talking into that camera.....looked to me like as he set off running and lifted the chopper he dropped the knife on the floor..........i agree by the way he went down it didnt look like the first shots were at the legs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
walshie 2,804 Posted May 26, 2013 Report Share Posted May 26, 2013 I'm not sure of the truth in the police aiming for the legs anyway. Pretty hard target to hit if you ask me. Even harder if you're sitting in a car with your gun out the window. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted May 26, 2013 Report Share Posted May 26, 2013 Wasn't it done just outside the barracks , wouldnt the guards be armed ?. we where talking about this last night would or could the sentry soliders came out and shot them ?. .....and be charged with murder? Once they pass the sentry they are on public land not MOD. makes no difference where you shoot someone on MOD land or in the street, rules of engagement were covered and explained by the green card. every serviceman carried a copy in his or her respirator haversack. but that was a few years ago Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 31,602 Posted May 26, 2013 Report Share Posted May 26, 2013 I'm not sure of the truth in the police aiming for the legs anyway. Pretty hard target to hit if you ask me. Even harder if you're sitting in a car with your gun out the window. Agreed.......especially at point blank range........its a hell of a risk to take when a mans running at you ready to bring a hatchet down over your head !......Maybe the mush across the road pointing the gun was the one who got it in the legs i dont know. Also......what gutless little shitbags when you think about it........tooled up to the nines but still didnt fancy their chances walking up to the lad...... had to mount the pavement and run him over before they had the bottle to stand in front of him.............c**ts ! 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nik_B 3,791 Posted May 26, 2013 Report Share Posted May 26, 2013 I'm not sure of the truth in the police aiming for the legs anyway. Pretty hard target to hit if you ask me. Even harder if you're sitting in a car with your gun out the window. Agreed.......especially at point blank range........its a hell of a risk to take when a mans running at you ready to bring a hatchet down over your head !......Maybe the mush across the road pointing the gun was the one who got it in the legs i dont know. Also......what gutless little shitbags when you think about it........tooled up to the nines but still didnt fancy their chances walking up to the lad...... had to mount the pavement and run him over before they had the bottle to stand in front of him.............c**ts ! Yeh maybe they didn't. There's plenty of documentation from the states of the ineffectiveness of 9mm pistol rounds which the MP5 uses. I watched an interesting video by a surgeon about gunshot wounds and he was saying that most people actually survive being shot by a pistol which is quite a surprise, even multiple times. The reason being is that they don't make the huge wound channel that a rifle does due to the velocity. One shot with a 5.56 would have killed them stone dead or caused huge amounts of internal damage. It's considered the worse wounding round in common military use. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest thebigdog Posted May 26, 2013 Report Share Posted May 26, 2013 I'm not sure of the truth in the police aiming for the legs anyway. Pretty hard target to hit if you ask me. Even harder if you're sitting in a car with your gun out the window. Agreed.......especially at point blank range........its a hell of a risk to take when a mans running at you ready to bring a hatchet down over your head !......Maybe the mush across the road pointing the gun was the one who got it in the legs i dont know. Also......what gutless little shitbags when you think about it........tooled up to the nines but still didnt fancy their chances walking up to the lad...... had to mount the pavement and run him over before they had the bottle to stand in front of him.............c**ts ! Yeh maybe they didn't. There's plenty of documentation from the states of the ineffectiveness of 9mm pistol rounds which the MP5 uses. I watched an interesting video by a surgeon about gunshot wounds and he was saying that most people actually survive being shot by a pistol which is quite a surprise, even multiple times. The reason being is that they don't make the huge wound channel that a rifle does due to the velocity. One shot with a 5.56 would have killed them stone dead or caused huge amounts of internal damage. It's considered the worse wounding round in common military use. a bullet doesn't need to do large amounts of internal damage to kill, google hydrostatic shock Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stewie 3,387 Posted May 26, 2013 Report Share Posted May 26, 2013 (edited) I'm not sure of the truth in the police aiming for the legs anyway. Pretty hard target to hit if you ask me. Even harder if you're sitting in a car with your gun out the window. Agreed.......especially at point blank range........its a hell of a risk to take when a mans running at you ready to bring a hatchet down over your head !......Maybe the mush across the road pointing the gun was the one who got it in the legs i dont know. Also......what gutless little shitbags when you think about it........tooled up to the nines but still didnt fancy their chances walking up to the lad...... had to mount the pavement and run him over before they had the bottle to stand in front of him.............c**ts ! Yeh maybe they didn't. There's plenty of documentation from the states of the ineffectiveness of 9mm pistol rounds which the MP5 uses. I watched an interesting video by a surgeon about gunshot wounds and he was saying that most people actually survive being shot by a pistol which is quite a surprise, even multiple times. The reason being is that they don't make the huge wound channel that a rifle does due to the velocity. One shot with a 5.56 would have killed them stone dead or caused huge amounts of internal damage. It's considered the worse wounding round in common military use. in the time it takes to lift an sa80 or lsw to fire that 5.56 tho a cop might of been stabbed mate...........the cops did what they have to do.........end of......... im glad there alive tbh so they get to live the rest of there days out in a 6x6 cell.............the only thing that worries me is at trial they are gonna say stuff that further inflicts misery on lee rigbys family........so for that fact alone i wish the cops blasted them kunts in the face...........twice........... Edited May 26, 2013 by lurcher1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
whippet 99 2,613 Posted May 26, 2013 Report Share Posted May 26, 2013 DONT REALLY GIVE A FOOK BUT A DEAD ONE IS A GOOD ONE........... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nik_B 3,791 Posted May 26, 2013 Report Share Posted May 26, 2013 Hydrostatic shock is mainly for rifle rounds from what I understand. From work don by the FBI regarding pistol ammunition "its interpretation are based are themselves based on myths such as knock-down power, energy transfer, hydrostatic shock, or the temporary cavity methodology of flawed work such as RII." They don't agree with that theory, their main objective is that a round should penetrate at least 12" into the body in order to hit arteries and vital organs so that they cause serious incapacitating injury. Even hollow points are restricted by hitting bone and or clothing and they are considered to not be very effective in the grand scheme of things. This is worth a read and I find this kind of stuff very interesting...I'm no expert though http://www.firearmstactical.com/pdf/fbi-hwfe.pdf Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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