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I thought you were gonna threaten to beat me up mate. I am unfit, overweight, wear glasses, suffer from bouts of cowardice & I'm a bleeder.....it would be pretty pointless & you could take no

Its always amused me when folk who know nothing about bodybuilding just presume that anyone who takes it seriously must be " vain " !!............Baw you say " its got to be solely vanity "...........

funny how people slag steroids off yet think its ok to act/fight like a dick on a weekend and and also think that drinking 10 pints on a friday is ok and dosent damage your health.   infact bet half

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Competetive bodybuilders Gnash,training to beat other bodybuilders,as opposed to training for achieving personal targets alone :thumbs:

So are the ones who dont compete not bodybuilders then ?...........is a bodybuilder who trains for personal achievement....not a bodybuilder ?

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I never said weight lifting is for vanity. What I actually said, I don't understand why people who are so Heath conscience pump there body's full of drugs. I still find that bewildering. If you do weights and find you've stopped growing, that's nature, that's your body reached its natural peak. If that means you aren't physically able to compete against someone naturally bigger.... That's life. To artificially build yourself up in order to gain an equal or better strength against them is wrong in my book. If no one took steroids in the lifting game it be fairer for the guys who don't touch it. People use them to gain an advantage whether its lifting, running, cycling or any physical sport. I know I much prefer knowing someone like Usain Bolt is naturally fast compared to a cheat like Ben Johnstone. You seem to think your ok cos your clues up on it but I've never spoken to a drug addict who doesn't think the same. I'm ok, I'm not like the other idiots, I know what I'm doing, the usual speal you get from guys hooked on some substance or another. You also seem to think that unless your lifting weights your a fat slob. Rather broad assumption that. I don't lift weights but I like to think I'm fit and relatively got a decent build. My exercises are Canoing and hill walking, plenty of healthy outdoor fresh air, not stuck in a gym full of mirrors ;)
The comparisons your making are just not compareable.......you are comparing a pure out and out sportsman like Usain Bolt to a bodybuilder !.......Your comparing heroin addicts to people who use performance enhancers !............Your comparing walking hills to lifting weights !

If a man reaches his potential as a bodybuilder is that it,end of game ?...pack up and find another hobby ?.......Nobody is " cheating " by getting a helping hand from gear you are getting sport and bodybuilding mixed up as one and the same just because somethings competetive doesnt make it a sport !

As for " pumping their body full of drugs ".......it would be like me telling you how to use a canoe.......difference being im not arrogant enough to think i know more than you on a subject you have experienced and i havent ;)

If a man reaches his potential in body building should he give up? Well no, he keeps doing what he enjoys. Everyone reaches their potential then start to slide as they get older. Taking drugs to slow down the effect or enhance their ability isn't right no matter how you paint it. Steroids are damaging, all drugs have side effects do they not? I'm not telling you about them mate as you say, I know f**k all about them. I'm just commenting on your posts. Having an addiction to a drug whether its steroids, heroin, cocaine, nicotine, its all the same. Once the body needs a substance to keep it feeling normal, its bad news.
Again you are making big sweeping statements you have no real understanding of............." addiction " is a big word to use on a subject you readily admit you know nothing about,it would suggest you are calling people like me " drug addicts " ............you are saying if a man reaches his potential he should just carry on doing what he,s doing..............why should he ?.....if he understands and accepts the road ahead why should he not chase his goals ?..........im not telling you where you are safe to ride your canoe and where not to thats for you to decide your an adult human being with knowledge in your hobby.

This assumption that any man who uses performance anhancing drugs is a junkie nutcase is unbelievably ignorant !

Lol I'm not saying your a junkie but if I was to say to you, come off them, don't touch them again, would you be able to do it? What would be your frame of mind? Yes I do think someone who has reached there potential should continue without using performance enhancing drugs. Do you think Lance Armstrong should keep his yellow jerseys? I couldn't care if you told me how to a canoe mate lol but I get your point. I just don't think it's right that guys should take substances to enhance there performance when others aren't.

Of course i could " come off " them as you put it..........if you had a little understanding about bodybuilding you would realise its impossible to be addicted !.......Lance Armstrong was competing in a strict sport of course he shouldnt keep his yellow jersey..................not to mention the amount of people who used to say what a great sportsman he was and what a great man. :whistling:

If you want to take something that enhances your performance be it on your head its nothing to do with anyone else.......until you step into an arena that forbids it.

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Steroid use is more rife than ever now. Why? Cos most of the little posers & homos who walk around emulating JLS with the low cut tops, gay haircuts & spray tans are bang into them. They say its fashion but if you spend more time applying make up & straightening your hair than your lass you might aswell take it up the arse. How times have changed.....and not for the better either!

Yes exactly like JLS....very pretty haircut,lovely nose and teeth.......definately a fashion

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Gnasher please do not aim your roid rage at me.....as I said if you read my post properly, steroids are more popular than ever due to the JLS'alikes. Bodybuilders & strongman have always, will always used gear. Let comments sink in before mouthing off mate, I've not once had a go at you
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They may not be addictive as in you could come off them but I'm sure the fact you know it's going to effect your physique is just as addictive. Would you recommend say your kids to take them?

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i know a lad who used to run a gym in berwick when i first left school i started the gym mainly for cardio i used to look up to him and think mabey one day he was a former mr universe any way to cut a long story shot the roids got abused over a very long period and he eventually cracked and within a year he had no gym no family and was knocking around with alcholics he looked rough as feck it took him a few year to sort his self back out but ive heard hes back to himself now just alot less training and no roids

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Iv trained with lads who took gear too soon and peaked too early relying on gear,and when they finished their cycle they lost serious size.on the other hand iv seen lads train for years and then take gear and kept their size through serious training and strict diets.Basicly its all down to personal choice and mentality i think

 

The reason bodybuilders lose size (mass) when on an off period is because steroids make the body retain water (water retention) particularly in muscles so you would lose mass from that alone.

There are different types of bodybuilder. There's the mass monters that just train heavy constantly for mass without thinking about proportion, cutting up etc. That's the guys you see on Worlds Stongest Man etc...there's the true bodybuilders (imo) that sculpt their bodies for proportion....that's guys like Arnold, Lee Haney, Ron Coleman etc. These types of bodybuilders are the true bodybuilders that will analyse their physiques constantly and work on areas that are lacking. All bodybuilders are different...for instance 1 man may be a great shape other than deltoids so he would work harder on that area in order to bring it into proportion with the rest of the body. A mate was 1 case. He was in great shape though lacked a bit in deltoids...i was very prominent on delts so he trained with me when doing shoulders and i pushed him hard on them...i messed his weights and exercises around until they reacted and started to grow. I lacked slighly on biceps and he was strong on them so he done the same for me and it helped us both.

Anyway... the point i'm making is that the burly guys you see on doors etc are usually mass type guys that train purely for mass and are not the "face" of bodybuilding imo. Guys like Arnold and the Olympia guys are the true "face" of bodybuilding!!!

Strongman competitors have absolutely nothing to with bodybuilding.....they are strength athletes simple as that.......theres no such thing as a " pure bodybuilder " in my opinion......a skinny little 9 stone hard gainer with 6 months lifting under his belt is every bit as much of a pure bodybuilder as Arnold Schwarzenegger was if he applies himself correctly........and thats the beauty of the hobby.

For me Arnold was the greatest bodybuilder in history yet he wouldnt win a title in todays game because he wasnt a big puffed out cartoon character.......again,you take from bodybuilding what you want...... ive become friendly over the last few years with a young lad who comes in the gym,gives everything,wants to learn everything and is on the way to a fantastic physique............he is paralysed from the waist down !......Watching him physically and mentally grow as a bodybuilder and as a man in what must be an extremely tough situation for a young lad,constantly reminds me of what bodybuilding is all about.

Now that's a good positive post

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Steroid use is more rife than ever now. Why? Cos most of the little posers & homos who walk around emulating JLS with the low cut tops, gay haircuts & spray tans are bang into them. They say its fashion but if you spend more time applying make up & straightening your hair than your lass you might aswell take it up the arse. How times have changed.....and not for the better either!

Yes exactly like JLS....very pretty haircut,lovely nose and teeth.......definately a fashion

conscious homo !

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Gnasher please do not aim your roid rage at me.....as I said if you read my post properly, steroids are more popular than ever due to the JLS'alikes. Bodybuilders & strongman have always, will always used gear. Let comments sink in before mouthing off mate, I've not once had a go at you

Behave, Gnash is the most level headed on here. I should know, I've tried to wind him up a good few times :D

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Steroid use is more rife than ever now. Why? Cos most of the little posers & homos who walk around emulating JLS with the low cut tops, gay haircuts & spray tans are bang into them. They say its fashion but if you spend more time applying make up & straightening your hair than your lass you might aswell take it up the arse. How times have changed.....and not for the better either!

Yes exactly like JLS....very pretty haircut,lovely nose and teeth.......definately a fashion

conscious homo !

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Gnasher please do not aim your roid rage at me.....as I said if you read my post properly, steroids are more popular than ever due to the JLS'alikes. Bodybuilders & strongman have always, will always used gear. Let comments sink in before mouthing off mate, I've not once had a go at you

:blink: Dont get excited mate i was merely having a joke saying not all bodybuilders look like JLS !........maybe you need listen to your own advice ;)

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