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Nothing wrong with a cross Clancy if done correctly, Most use them to improve the bite and grit. I have had several crosses and have been using them with no problems , if your hunting nothing but ground hogs you might not need them tho. I will stack mine against anyones.

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i think there ood looking dogs and i think they could make good dogs but never seen one work (apart from one time on rats) so cant comment on ability

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I've dug to quite a few pitty pats & there drive is second to none IMO there too quiet & always wanting the kill, there good dogs but always in the sick bay & that's something a lot of terrier men want to avoid

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same here dd had one few years ago by mistake mating

gav it to a mate who worked her she was very hard cudn be kept with anyother dogs and bit big

she didn see 3 yr old either

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More common than you'd think, or they'd let on ;) .

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I have a Fell x Bull at the moment, he has seen one coon, and was clearly too young still,...so far, ive had 4 of this cross, and the three i had before this one were all culled...strangly enough, could not take any pain at all, and where just culls...first was a fell x pit, the 2nd and 3rd where sisters and where jadg x pit, and this fourth one is half pit, and half fell,...we will see, but so far, my 'regular' digging dogs have way more grit, and drive, although i have seen very good animals of this cross.

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Some of the best ones you can hope for. The probably I seen as we have done this and now working on the 3rd generation down from the original cross is the 50/50 pit / patty are truly 50 / 50 at getting good hunters. We are using the best bulldog blood in the states. These dogs have wind, gameness, and smarts which many pits IMO don't. It is the quality of the bulldog here that is helping. But back to point, the crosses of 50 /50 are good but never has good as the 25% or 1/8 crosses. The 50 /50 are producers when they are bred to quality patterdales. I have one that is 25% bull and the dog is absolutely the best hunter. To big for ground at 22lbs but he tries his damnest too! Far as above ground, nothing has whooped him and nothing as escape him and he will be the foundation to my little terriers. I will probably go another generation or two before I add any more bull blood in them again. I think every 5 to 6 generations it will help but with the way I cull it might be longer. We are looking for the best and average or good won't cut it. The dog I speak of isn't even 2 years old and the bitches are being lined up to go to him. This guy is an absolute monster! The other draw back to the 50 / 50 is dog aggression at times and sometimes it is unbarable. This guys sire was a great hunter by himself, any other dog or female, he forgot the game and wanted the dog is the draw back but again using quality pit bulldog blood is the key and draw back at the same time. This little dog pictured has over 10 coons under his belt by himself, not a bit of help in tight spaces too! Over 50 oppossums, 25 ground hogs and just hasn't got lucky enough to find a fox this season. All this game was taken in the last 5 months!

 

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Hey showmespeed what bulldog blood are you using?

I would say a lot of bull blooded dogs need plenty time before being worked to game, bulldogs don't seem to have been bred to start young and were often kept on a chain till 18 months. This time is best spent socialising these crosses, stock breaking and working on their hunting ability and nose. Get them traveling underground, working cover and connecting their nose to their brains.

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