english bull terrier pics

[Daniel cain 43,252]

A decent working terrier chooses to do combat under the sod,too the death, against an opponent sometimes 4/5 times its weight/size,no space, limited oxygen etc ...when dogs are matched their the same weight as the opponent?...the terrier does it and relies on its owner to get down to it... Can sometimes take DAYS.....if a pitbulls getting bettered by his opponent...the owner throws in the towel and saves it INSTANTLY...Its a no brainer  imo... I would bet,that a terrierman with a kennel full of workers will lose more dogs  doing their job in a 12 month,than a man that matches his dogs? To claim that only pitbulls are 'Game' is a Tad silly IMO

[Bakerboy 3,491]

I wish I was articulate enough to add to this thread, being thick is a curse sometimes

[forest of dean redneck 11,231]

8 minutes ago, Bakerboy said:

I wish I was articulate enough to add to this thread, being thick is a curse sometimes

I never let it bother me lol

[Bakerboy 3,491]

1 minute ago, forest of dean redneck said:

I never let it bother me lol

Nor me usually

[Daniel cain 43,252]

2 hours ago, Bakerboy said:

I wish I was articulate enough to add to this thread, being thick is a curse sometimes

Theres Not an animal on this planet that compares to a working terrier under the sod for bravery/gameness,call it what you want... I've a terrier bitch here now,keeps picking fights with my wheaton bull bitch..put 30 plus staples into the dopey cnut last night,3 tubes of drycow cream,after the big dog drilled it like a fox smashing it around my yard...big dog stopped,little dog straight back into it...no fear,next time if no ones there,its brown bread brave? Silly? Or Gameness?

[WEDGEY 752]

8 hours ago, Daniel cain said:

Theres Not an animal on this planet that compares to a working terrier under the sod for bravery/gameness,call it what you want... I've a terrier bitch here now,keeps picking fights with my wheaton bull bitch..put 30 plus staples into the dopey cnut last night,3 tubes of drycow cream,after the big dog drilled it like a fox smashing it around my yard...big dog stopped,little dog straight back into it...no fear,next time if no ones there,its brown bread brave? Silly? Or Gameness?

I call it Heart

[Aussie Whip 3,863]

14 hours ago, Daniel cain said:

brave? Silly? Or Gameness?

All that and determination. They are highly intelligent but certainly silly at times.

[Victor_84 185]

from old book

 

[lurchers 2,609]

On 10/05/2024 at 11:53, Daniel cain said:

Theres Not an animal on this planet that compares to a working terrier under the sod for bravery/gameness,call it what you want... I've a terrier bitch here now,keeps picking fights with my wheaton bull bitch..put 30 plus staples into the dopey cnut last night,3 tubes of drycow cream,after the big dog drilled it like a fox smashing it around my yard...big dog stopped,little dog straight back into it...no fear,next time if no ones there,its brown bread brave? Silly? Or Gameness?

That’s terriers for ya they are cnuts when they start or take a disliking to another dog.

[gnasher16 29,770]

On 10/05/2024 at 07:11, Daniel cain said:

A decent working terrier chooses to do combat under the sod,too the death, against an opponent sometimes 4/5 times its weight/size,no space, limited oxygen etc ...when dogs are matched their the same weight as the opponent?...the terrier does it and relies on its owner to get down to it... Can sometimes take DAYS.....if a pitbulls getting bettered by his opponent...the owner throws in the towel and saves it INSTANTLY...Its a no brainer  imo... I would bet,that a terrierman with a kennel full of workers will lose more dogs  doing their job in a 12 month,than a man that matches his dogs? To claim that only pitbulls are 'Game' is a Tad silly IMO

We are talking about completely different levels of what isnt even really the same trait.....i have every respect for a gutsy little terrier doing what he is bred to do it must take a tough durable and determined little dog to stick in when the going gets tough below ground...........but to compare it to dog matching is the mistake in comparing hunting to fighting........hunting by its very nature is NOT fair,but a fight by its very nature MUST be fair.

I think a lot of people think they do but dont truly understand what a real deep level of gameness actually is or even looks like.

[Daniel cain 43,252]

5 hours ago, gnasher16 said:

We are talking about completely different levels of what isnt even really the same trait.....i have every respect for a gutsy little terrier doing what he is bred to do it must take a tough durable and determined little dog to stick in when the going gets tough below ground...........but to compare it to dog matching is the mistake in comparing hunting to fighting........hunting by its very nature is NOT fair,but a fight by its very nature MUST be fair.

I think a lot of people think they do but dont truly understand what a real deep level of gameness actually is or even looks like.

 I base my opinions on what Ive seen with my own eyes,I grew up around   heads involved in the pits in the 80/90's,I never personally got the whole fighting dogs thing,found most involved in it a tad strange tbh,but each to their own.Ive seen enough pure bulls,presa,bandogs,ebts that couldn't do, what a decent lurcher can do around a hole,week in,week out, consistently ....could kill other dogs for fun,but not brave enough to travel a tube and draw something out a 1/3 of its size and kill it quickly....a working terrier is not evenly matched to its opponent,like a pitdog... That dog can be saved by its owner at anytime he sees fit,dont have that luxury when a dogs to ground...they dont know how far away you are from them...those little dogs will die trying  to push on...thats as brave/game as it gets in my eyes..what animal travels into another animals lair,to fight to the death...and not even eat it???

Few yrs back,I could give a pure bulldog more graft on a sunday afternoons digging in mid wales to test it...and I'm confident, that it would end up as backfill before the month was out..most cant even do a season  up the forest of dean on the boar from what I've witnessed

 

 

[Victor_84 185]

5 hours ago, gnasher16 said:

hunting by its very nature is NOT fair,but a fight by its very nature MUST be fair

In badger hunting, the advantage is on the side of the badger. The badger is in its territory, it is much stronger than the dog and can easily maim or kill it. And the dog can't do it. He is well protected from the dog. A badger can lower a dog's nose lobe by a decent degree with one blow of his teeth. It can tear off a lip, a jaw, tear it with claws. Therefore, the bravest dogs do not live long on such hunts. If terriers don't have game, then the English bulldog who fought the bull didn't have it either.

[Daniel cain 43,252]

1 minute ago, Victor_84 said:

In badger hunting, the advantage is on the side of the badger. The badger is in its territory, it is much stronger than the dog and can easily maim or kill it. And the dog can't do it. He is well protected from the dog. A badger can lower a dog's nose lobe by a decent degree with one blow of his teeth. It can tear off a lip, a jaw, tear it with claws. Therefore, the bravest dogs do not live long on such hunts. If terriers don't have game, then the English bulldog who fought the bull didn't have it either.

Very well put Victor....The Badger IMO is the only true test for a working terrier

[Aussie Whip 3,863]

9 hours ago, Daniel cain said:

.most cant even do a season  up the forest of dean on the boar from what I've witnessed

My mrs who hunted pigs as a job never liked using pitbulls, they caught pigs but were more interested in fighting the boars than working them which is not good. They are too game for hunting dangerous stuff and it's why they use English Bull blooded mostly over here. I also think most working terriers are too game for pig catching, though a lot of pig hunters have a Russell in the pack for the blackberries.

[Carlovian 584]

On 10/05/2024 at 07:11, Daniel cain said:

A decent working terrier chooses to do combat under the sod,too the death, against an opponent sometimes 4/5 times its weight/size,no space, limited oxygen etc ...when dogs are matched their the same weight as the opponent?...the terrier does it and relies on its owner to get down to it... Can sometimes take DAYS.....if a pitbulls getting bettered by his opponent...the owner throws in the towel and saves it INSTANTLY...Its a no brainer  imo... I would bet,that a terrierman with a kennel full of workers will lose more dogs  doing their job in a 12 month,than a man that matches his dogs? To claim that only pitbulls are 'Game' is a Tad silly IMO

what size are your dogs , if they are 4/5 times smaller than a badger , terriers really only get in to grips when they sense the digging , a lot of time the are sounding , pit bulls , they have a top weight , so dogs are same size , are in contact with each other till its over which could be 30 mins or 5 hours , a badger don't want to be hunted and does every thing to get away , terriers are game for what they do , its a different type of gameness Pit bulls need,

Edited May 14 by Carlovian