Cesar and the rest of that litter from snoops Razor and roybos Fenn seem to be doing really well given their age my own pup out of the litter Roy was probably the last one to draw blood which was on his 1st birthday but I did hold him back a bit on purpose and its done him good, so the sire&dam have done there bit and the lads who running them seem to be going in the right direction so far anyway ime chuffed with mine cheers Roybo atb Flacko