Me and a mate got 2 1st crosses off the Horace dog direct from Springview in the early 90's,1 was passed on to a young lad and ended up shot by a farmer when they ended up in a situation that was out of their depth..The other bitch worked well with terriers for a good few seasons(she was too heavy for conventional lurcherwork) Until she came to see terriers as fair game and was pts for that reason.She was bred to a 1/2 cross bull off Terminator and produced some cracking working bitches,Though all the dogs in the litter were pts as none of them could be broken to stock despite being homed with