Matt,s spot on as usual! The problem is now, not only have you got the dole dossers out there under cutting prices the bloody poles are getting in on the act! Even farmers who want to always save a quid only try the cheap chancers the once, they won't be had twice. What Matt did not mention is the over heads the likes of me and him have we just could and would not go out and charge the stupidly low prices banded about on here, but then, we have both been in this game a long time now and built up good loyal client bases, which if your in it for the long haul is essential.