Out of all of the minshaw dogs i have seen, i like the look of the 'ugly' collie curs the most, these two are a good example, although neither are ugly in my eyes, they look thick set and strong boned, but powerful rather than heavy, with good thick necks and strong feet. I saw don in the flesh and was surprised to find him racy as well as tough, and have seen him jumping 5 bar gates, so you can tell he has the typical collie / lurcher agility. I was also impressed by the jacket on the pup, for a young un it had a really good thick coat on her. As johnny mentioned earlier, both the dam and sir