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  1. treats are ok , but the motivation factor needs to be higher, if recall only works where there is no distractions, it only half works, what have you been doing to increase the bond as you stated,??
  2. its hard to know whats going on in situations like the one your having with the dog, but the first thing i always look for in a doggy problem is "whats in it for the dog" by that i mean what the motivation for the act of bringing back the item, also is the dog distracted where this is happening and whats your relationship like with the dog?? for the first one, praise and treats seem to be the most widely used method for the retrieve on this site, praise is good if you have a good understanding between you and the mutt and are not dishing out praise left , right and center otherwise, and
  3. thats the idea, an inner tube of a bike cut across to lengthening it out and tie one end to a tug item and the other end to a tree or fence and let him at it , its all front end work ,,
  4. a lot of mutts who have hunted and killed prey sometimes are not very motivated to chase lures, but the problem in your case is that he is still energized by the whole racing activity but not very interested by the lure, so he still has energy to give and your other dog becomes the avenue for it , its a case of better the devil you know,,his nuts are nothing to do with it , its not aggression as such its energy like two terriers fighting at a dig, its not personal , he may run a lure on his own but i think even in time he go off that as well, if you give a tuned in dog the choice between be
  5. dont worry about the training for a while bud, the first thing a dog needs is to feel safe ,that's number one,you can build from there,if an animal feels nervous or vulnerable in its surroundings its untrainable because its functioning on its instincts which are fear based, i wouldn't make a huge fuss of it either its just adding energy to a system which already has shaky foundations, food is the way to build trust, have the bitch coming into your space to feed , hand feed her if you can, its a lot easier with dry, hand feed her while out on walks , no corrections for jumping up, manag
  6. i can completely understand what your saying woodys mum, but when the energy level gets too high in a dog no amount of treats is going to make him see your point of view, because most times a lurcher is in that excited state of mind hes running away from us but if we can get the dog to listen to us in a highly excited state of mind, we can achieve a serious level of control in most situations,, could be right what you say about dogs becoming clean, but where they fall down is pissing on the ferret box when older ,,
  7. he doesn't want to try your patience bud, he's torn between his prey instinct which is investigating interesting scents and such things which may lead to prey drive which is a state of mind he really wants to be in and going back to you which may not be all that appealing unless it has an aspect of drive attached to it, if you get my drift, what im saying is you need to make yourself more interesting to the pup because all his instincts are pulling him in the opposite direction bud I get what your saying cheers for the advice to all i got a 9 month old pup dernt let him of he up
  8. he doesn't want to try your patience bud, he's torn between his prey instinct which is investigating interesting scents and such things which may lead to prey drive which is a state of mind he really wants to be in and going back to you which may not be all that appealing unless it has an aspect of drive attached to it, if you get my drift, what im saying is you need to make yourself more interesting to the pup because all his instincts are pulling him in the opposite direction bud
  9. have to disagree casso, surely a collie type which can take instruction or as I like to put it "subtle direction " and use its own initiative when needed and work with you as part of a team will surely CATCH more, therefore how can a saluki type outclass any other breed, you,ve said it yourself above a saluki has been bred for a specific purpose, i.e. point and slip not what I would class as a LURCHER yeah your right there bud, but the other lad was on about the fens and the 5 out of 5 stuff, but your right for all round work a dog with a bit of collie in it is hard to beat,,
  10. Collie was bred to take instruction, and very good at it they are indeed ,they can turn their hand to most canine tasks and do very well at jobs other dogs were bred to do, but doing very well is fine but it wont reach the heights of dogs bred for a specific purpose, On the other hand a saluki is bred just to catch, thats all, not take instruction or jump through hoops for anyone, its intelligence is in its ability to catch, it just knows how to do it better than other breeds,
  11. it not the item as such its the having interaction with you thats the clincher that builds the bond, dont worry about any of that stuff about the pup dropping the item, he just doesn't get what you want, he's young, he's also only a few months old If your getting stressed about any of that stuff , leave it and just have fun interaction with him, because if you are the biggest fun in his life he will automatically want to bring things to you most of all be patient , try and let the behavior come from inside dog without prompting, in a few months when his drive kicks in, use a seco
  12. It is also possible that canids - being pack animals and accustomed to working as a team - learnt that there are benefits to working with people. A parallel would be the cooperation between dolphins and aboriginals on the east coast of Australia in fishing. These are your words ,,are they not,,
  13. Not the basis for an animated feelgood movie for the kids, but reality... Thats a nice account of Abo's and their mutts couple of hundred years ago, but nothing what so ever to do with the human/Wolf situation many thousands of decades ago bud in a very different setting, can we just agree to disagree , i can see the strength of the hunt in my relationship with the mutt, and i just dont agree it was of less importance to early man than the taste of his flesh, an animal that can follow our gaze, follow a trail for miles and can work in a group to defeat large prey , perfect combinatio
  14. The whole thing about running a young dog who hasn't seen much action and has only caught rabbits, is the fact he is running Cold Blooded, by that i mean in his head he's not coming out of his corner fighting so when he hits his fox his is still in that calm frame of mind, which is the wrong one to face an animal fighting for its life,and that is what catches a lot of young dogs out, Now the only different between that and running with an older experienced dog is that dogs tune into each others mindsets, if one is excited the other will become excited, so if one dog is ape shit for charl
  15. one of the ways of getting a pup or dog coming back or walking with you, is never let the dog lead you when out in fields, when he takes the lead i walk the other way or at right angles, do this enough and he will look to you to lead all the time, Another trick with pups when you first take them out running round is, at certain times stop dead in your tracks, the pup will come to you after a while and try to regain the flow you had between you and will mooch about maybe jump up, but i wait til he's standing by my right side close to me , then i tell him Yes good boy,and we go on, the ide
  16. seems to be a topic where everyone has a different take on it, years ago for us it used to be a dog who could work the lamp , run a hare, and draw any heavy stuff needed to be drawn.
  17. You are still confusing inherited behaviour with learned behaviour. Epigenetics relates to how the information relating to inherited behaviour is stored, expressed and passed on. When discussing the phenomenon of canine domestication, learned behaviour is still a more reasonable explantion than changes in inherited behaviour. im not confusing anything because i have not stated that environmental influences do not effect the dna of an animal, which we know now to be the case, and not discredited scientifically as you state until over the next few decades that man can really get a han
  18. Skycat... Yes, some things are instinctive. Caution when faced with the unusual is a normal survival instinct.... Which is why arguing that canines gradually became genetically less cautious around humans has problems. Lack of caution in animals that are still wild and not yet under the protection of humans is not a positive survival trait. Let me try a more obvious example of caution that must be learnt instead of being instinctive. Dogs are not normally frightened of a fence. However a dog that has experienced the shock from an electric fence, especially more than once, will be very
  19. there is knowledge in the genes its not thinking as we know it , it a feeling, a gut feeling we call it, and as skycat mentioned the example of the snake, why should pups be drawn instinctively to manlike and when exposed to such reptiles will act in a certain way akin to learned behavior, where else can the find it only in the genes,,is instinct knowledge ,if it is where is it from,,
  20. not sure what you mean by collective memory, man has a huge effect on animals genetically without intention man has had dramatic effect on all animals just through association, the russian fox experiment showed that once fear became somewhat diluted it had a dramatic effect on genetics causing mutations in a large number of animals , maybe we're at odds with this because i believe the group hunt in whatever form that may take makes the canine social, not the pack, the pack is for storing tension , the group hunt is for releasing tension, the reason i know this works is because its how
  21. i'll admit ive never heard of a dog regressing to do this, they usually start off doing it and grow out of it, , what sort of relationship do you have with them, that both of them have taken to it,, im not sure if retrieving is your biggest problem bud ,,
  22. Roald Amundsen thought so... I do not dismiss the shared instinct to hunt. It's one of the keenest delights that I find in hunting with dogs... their obvious enthusiasm. However when it comes down to primitive hunter-gatherers, I find utility a more credible motivation than entertainment. Indeed utility would be key to a hunter gatherer which is why I consider it unlikely that true hunter gathers had dogs, rather it was the pastoralist etc who did the domestication. Whether dogs had already evolved prior to this is unknown but worth conjecture. interesting stuff , i have no p
  23. thats a really interesting point sandymere,
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