Hi everyone, nowadays I still hunt a lot for rats and feral pigeons with the HW80, at the farmer's place in and around stables. Occasionally a crow comes by, but I stopped shooting at them because they didn't come close enough from where I was shooting. I always used the 13-grainers, because I didn't know that 16-grain pellets also existed in .20. About two weeks ago I discovered those 16-grainers, and I have already shot a crow with them a few times. Phenomenal penetration! Just with 3 grains more. Highly recommended..