Good stuff Jim,,,vin will be pleased,,seeing you ferreting with the dog,,,,it sure does take it out of you doing both...ferreting on them hills sure does wear you out,,,especially the first few of the season and on your own,,bending over laying nets,,,then digging,, tomorrow your going to know about it,,side muscles hurting ,,lower back,,and things like the diaphragm inside near your lungs,,,,my little mate always complains his arms hurt,,,but he's a girl,,