You obviously think I just want a quick fix but that's not the case I'm thinking what's best for both me and dog, like I said I'm new to this, yes I've been out on a few times with some great catches but don't think there much point getting a pup as I won't know all the ins and outs to bring this dog on but if I get a dog that half knows what it's doing I know it has it in it but won't know with a pup, I haven't just rushed into this I've been planning for a while now, if I end up with a pup and it doesn't make the grade like many don't I can't hunt , we all have to start somewhere, you proba