I Just Couldnt Help Myself, I Just Had To Try It.

[socks 32,253]

Would you let somebody have a pup you'd bred if you knew they would lamp it at such a young age?

Lamp it no ... Let it catch an easy summer rabbit or two IF it was physically able yes ....

[Phil Lloyd 10,736]

I think some lads are getting confused with the early education and schooling that a roustabout rabbiting lurcher so often benefits from,..as opposed to the old style 'coursing/racing ' way of thinking,...

Massive difference in letting a mongelised lurcher have a peek at his future life, to that of running a hard and difficult quarry...with a promising young speed merchant...One ruins, the other educates. .

Edited August 5, 2016 by Phil Lloyd

[look up 406]

 

Would you let somebody have a pup you'd bred if you knew they would lamp it at such a young age?

 

If I thought they were capable of good judgement of what a pup was ready for and when then I would. Lamp it at such a young age is an emotive way of putting it. It's not like he ran the guts out of it.

If you read back... It missed the first 2 ..got on another field ran 2 which it caught ...and ran some with his older dog..now if that ain't running a pup of that age ragged what is...

[Maximus Ferret 2,055]

 

 

Would you let somebody have a pup you'd bred if you knew they would lamp it at such a young age?

If I thought they were capable of good judgement of what a pup was ready for and when then I would. Lamp it at such a young age is an emotive way of putting it. It's not like he ran the guts out of it.

If you read back... It missed the first 2 ..got on another field ran 2 which it caught ...and ran some with his older dog..now if that ain't running a pup of that age ragged what is...

 

Only Trigger knows that since only he was there to make the call.

[socks 32,253]

I ain't for or against tbh, I'm just asking, my conscience tells me how to deal with my pups

And that's it for everybody ... You know your pup you know what it's capable of and what it isn't ... This bitch I kept back was the smallest in the litter and physically and mentally she isn't going to be ready for a while ... Two or three of the dogs and the red bitch will be ready to do a bit a long before her ... All pups are different ......

[ginger beard 4,652]

I've never said its ok to take a 4 or 5 month old pup lamping BUT ... As I said previously some 5 month old pups are physically able to catch a green summer rabbit on the lamp and the man that's raised the pup and seen it everyday is the only one that can decide that ... Triggers dog caught 2 easy summer rabbits ... He didn't have a full nights lamping ... We have all seen the pictures and he is a well put together strong pup that wouldn't have been taxed by two catches ... As I stated earlier whilst out a normal everyday walk Tilly tracked her first row Buck at the age of 6 months ... Would her daughter that I have here now be able to do that ... Not in a month of Sunday's ... All pups are different and its spending lol the time with them you can that lets you know what they are or are not capabl of ........

the pup aint even 5 months yet.in the photos he still looks much like a pup.i'm all for getting them out and learning about its job but lamping it at that age is something i would never do and nobody will tell me different.

[look up 406]

 

I ain't for or against tbh, I'm just asking, my conscience tells me how to deal with my pups

And that's it for everybody ... You know your pup you know what it's capable of and what it isn't ... This bitch I kept back was the smallest in the litter and physically and mentally she isn't going to be ready for a while ... Two or three of the dogs and the red bitch will be ready to do a bit a long before her ... All pups are different ......

Thank you for your intelligent input ...that all pups are different ....

Edited August 5, 2016 by look up

[Phil Lloyd 10,736]

Fair play,...I only keep a cur..

She has scant speed ,.so as a puppy,.I would never have let her run the beam,.but I've had other types that were quick silver fast, nimble and agile as Stoats,..and if let loose on a black windy night, on good rough ground,.they killed and killed,...no problems...

Edited August 5, 2016 by Phil Lloyd

[trigger2 3,100]

 

I've never said its ok to take a 4 or 5 month old pup lamping BUT ... As I said previously some 5 month old pups are physically able to catch a green summer rabbit on the lamp and the man that's raised the pup and seen it everyday is the only one that can decide that ... Triggers dog caught 2 easy summer rabbits ... He didn't have a full nights lamping ... We have all seen the pictures and he is a well put together strong pup that wouldn't have been taxed by two catches ... As I stated earlier whilst out a normal everyday walk Tilly tracked her first row Buck at the age of 6 months ... Would her daughter that I have here now be able to do that ... Not in a month of Sunday's ... All pups are different and its spending lol the time with them you can that lets you know what they are or are not capabl of ........

the pup aint even 5 months yet.in the photos he still looks much like a pup.i'm all for getting them out and learning about its job but lamping it at that age is something i would never do and nobody will tell me different.

 

that pup hasnt been forced or made do anything that it did not choose to do. the weather was in the pups favour and also everything else that i could possibly put in its favour i did. it self entered

[terryd 8,043]

If I am honest mine only stuffed his leg because he had an accidental meeting at 7 months with some thing faster than a rabbit in the only big field around here for bloody miles and he went at it 110%. It was just shite luck

A couple of weeks earlier he ran two rabbits on the lamp and nailed the second with ease and we went home. That just sowed the seed of success which he never forgot.

He still looked like a pup at the time the googly sod

 

Edited August 5, 2016 by terryd

[Flacko 1,732]

Your pup mate your ways you don't have to justify yourself to no one, you know you yourself the reaction you going to get on a open forum mixed blessings reckon know will change your mind either way so good luck to you and pup atb Flacko

[hjckcff 1,737]

very interested in the replies to this topic. a good well bred lurcher with a promising career ahead of it . and there are so many differing opinions surely a wise man will wait till the animal is fully formed before trying it out. nothing whatsoever to gain and far to much to lose entering a pup . they dont need to be run at that stage to progress. as working dogs plenty to do with a young un , i dont care for the idea that they learn nothing in a kennel as any good owner will be showing them plenty without taxing them. i agree its each to there own with these things and every owner has the right to enter in whatever way they see fit but there are so many youngsters ruined by over enthusiastic entering and impatient owners. hopefully this pup is the exeption to the rule and goes on to have a long and fruitfull career.

stunning pup by the way

[ginger beard 4,652]

Is it better to show a pup of similar age to triggers 2 bunnies to get it some confidence and get it going or wait till more a year ish and pick a real windy night and start a fit youngster on say a bag 5 times bigger?

between the two options,wait untill 1 year and give it a couple of runs then progress.if i had to choose i would choose option 2.

[shaaark 10,133]

very interested in the replies to this topic. a good well bred lurcher with a promising career ahead of it . and there are so many differing opinions surely a wise man will wait till the animal is fully formed before trying it out. nothing whatsoever to gain and far to much to lose entering a pup . they dont need to be run at that stage to progress. as working dogs plenty to do with a young un , i dont care for the idea that they learn nothing in a kennel as any good owner will be showing them plenty without taxing them. i agree its each to there own with these things and every owner has the right to enter in whatever way they see fit but there are so many youngsters ruined by over enthusiastic entering and impatient owners. hopefully this pup is the exeption to the rule and goes on to have a long and fruitfull career.

stunning pup by the way

Best post so far. And I'm with you 100% on the 'they learn nothing in a kennel' bollox. Anyone with half an inkling about dogs, and educating them, will ensure that as pups they are reared, socialised, and educated as to the countryside etc, and not kept locked in a kennel for 12 hours a day, and without trying them too young.

It is a nice pup by the way, but I'm still wondering how it caught those rabbits, unless it practically tripped over them. He looks a proper big gangly pup, and too immature to have even half decent speed or coordination to catch healthy rabbits. Anyway, nice pup

[brock 11]

I personally would get a pup out mooching around in daylight running the odd rabbit won't do any harm,I definitely wouldn't lamp them so young,I ruined what potentially could of been the best lurcher I have ever owned by lamping him at 5 months,he ran 3 rabbits and caught all 3,but yapped on them from that day on,as with letting a pup develop I think hard running during the day around hedges etc is totally different to the twists and turns and sudden stops on the lamp.but you can look at it two ways,,,,does it strengthen joints ligaments and bones or weaken them????i personally think it's for the dogs owner to judge each pup individually and know when enough is enough for the day,I personally think little and often works