Born Hunter 17,638 Posted January 13, 2014 Report Share Posted January 13, 2014 Tell me, where are these god given rights? Where can I find them? It's a figure of speach, nothing more. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted January 13, 2014 Report Share Posted January 13, 2014 Of course it's historical, that's the whole point. Who does the queen swear to, during the coronation oath ? God. Who do judges, the police and just about everyone who swears an oath of office swear to ? The queen. Common law = the law of the land = god's law. Who do you swear to when giving evidence in court ? Allegiance to god is what the nation was founded on and without it, things will change a whole lot, for the worse. You don't have to be a religious zealot to realise that. I don't believe that for a minute, the only reason we swear to god is historical, the actual act of doing so is legally binding. It eminates from a time when all men feared god, these days however all men do not fear god as the ultimate law of mankind so the same comment is basically a legally binding oath. The judicial system being law and not god. There are NO god given rights, all the rights we have have been fought for by our ancestors. The monarch is supposed to be chosen by god, the two are linked in the context of our laws. The reigning monarch has been the head of the Church of England ever since Henry VIII stuck two fingers up at the Catholics and appointed himself gods representative here on earth. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,638 Posted January 13, 2014 Report Share Posted January 13, 2014 Of course it's historical, that's the whole point. Who does the queen swear to, during the coronation oath ? God. Who do judges, the police and just about everyone who swears an oath of office swear to ? The queen. Common law = the law of the land = god's law. Who do you swear to when giving evidence in court ? Allegiance to god is what the nation was founded on and without it, things will change a whole lot, for the worse. You don't have to be a religious zealot to realise that. I don't believe that for a minute, the only reason we swear to god is historical, the actual act of doing so is legally binding. It eminates from a time when all men feared god, these days however all men do not fear god as the ultimate law of mankind so the same comment is basically a legally binding oath. The judicial system being law and not god. There are NO god given rights, all the rights we have have been fought for by our ancestors. The monarch is supposed to be chosen by god, the two are linked in the context of our laws. The reigning monarch has been the head of the Church of England ever since Henry VIII stuck two fingers up at the Catholics and appointed himself gods representative here on earth. I understand that Malt, but how does that mean I have god given rights? Any rights we have have been given to us by ourselves through fighting for them, politically and militarily. The whole concept of right and wrong is man made in itself. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted January 13, 2014 Report Share Posted January 13, 2014 Of course it's historical, that's the whole point. Who does the queen swear to, during the coronation oath ? God. Who do judges, the police and just about everyone who swears an oath of office swear to ? The queen. Common law = the law of the land = god's law. Who do you swear to when giving evidence in court ? Allegiance to god is what the nation was founded on and without it, things will change a whole lot, for the worse. You don't have to be a religious zealot to realise that. I don't believe that for a minute, the only reason we swear to god is historical, the actual act of doing so is legally binding. It eminates from a time when all men feared god, these days however all men do not fear god as the ultimate law of mankind so the same comment is basically a legally binding oath. The judicial system being law and not god. There are NO god given rights, all the rights we have have been fought for by our ancestors. The monarch is supposed to be chosen by god, the two are linked in the context of our laws. The reigning monarch has been the head of the Church of England ever since Henry VIII stuck two fingers up at the Catholics and appointed himself gods representative here on earth. I understand that Malt, but how does that mean I have god given rights? Any rights we have have been given to us by ourselves through fighting for them, politically and militarily. The whole concept of right and wrong is man made in itself. Did we really get them for ourselves though? We are crown subjects here in the UK which means we are subjected to the power and the will of the crown even if it is exercised by whatever set of politicians we elect. That's the reason they brought they crown back after the civil war, they realised they could use the power of the crown over us without a monarch being the one in charge. Any rights the likes of me and you have were given to us. I wouldn't say we have god given rights in reality though.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 29,662 Posted January 13, 2014 Report Share Posted January 13, 2014 I dont know whats worse some Jehovas Witness knocking on your door trying to force their opinions on you or people trying to force you to believe all religion is made up lies and terrible etc etc............. Religion is out there..... if you want it take it......if you dont want it dont take it.... its that simple but you dont need to tell people they are wrong if they do that makes you no better than the Jehovas lot in my opinion. 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 44,322 Posted January 13, 2014 Report Share Posted January 13, 2014 The only god given right you get is the power to chose......you can educate yourself and make choices. You can make positive choices or nagetive choices.........the darkness tested me and I lived in the darkness for so very long, but I saw its true face and chose the light. Light is better believe me Religion, spiritual life.....call it what you want, is not about icons, and palaces of gold or men in funny hats waving gold objects over you. If you have learned this, then good for you.......if you have not but your happy, then good for you also........ 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 its like the insurance term "an act of god" no c**t actually believes it. in fact in court you can affirm. btw the queen very much believes that malt. gods chosen one lol i dont mock her everyone is entitled to believe in what they want. i just personally question why anyone does.i mean come on lol 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Seeker 3,048 Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 It's a pity in today's UK society that to have a Christian faith is almost a recipe to make you some kind of social pariah. I read many peoples opinions on here that to belive in a god that you must be somehow a bit of a werido or maybe even a bit of a fool yet how many people praise the likes of Winston Churchill, was he a bit of a fool? or any less of a person? He had religious beliefs as do many famous and historically influential people. I say don't be too quick to judge a person by their beliefs, not everyone thinks god is sat on a cloud with a white beard. Just maybe if more people supported the religion of this land that our ancestors over the last 1000 years had bestowed upon us then we would not be facing 100's Mosques being built in towns all over the UK. Just a thought.. 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 maybe if our ancestors didnt take the "good book" so f***ing literally we wouldnt have all the religious mayhem. lets face it,things move on institutions coorperations,movements "have" to go with the changes. religion should do aswell,lets no kid ourselfs they have fudged and interpreted the bible to suit themselfs for many years.im pretty sure they could kick it into touch for this day and age.granted it is happening but there having to do it kicking and screaming.lol mormons and witnesses well they deserve the ridicule lol 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tatsblisters 7,950 Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 Be a lot better world if every body turned their back on religion of every faith. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 seriously if ever they f***ing colonise another planet. it should be an instant punch in the mouth if you mention religion of any denomination lol 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Joe67 239 Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 no gods, ancient aliens... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
neems 2,406 Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 religion is the alcohol of the weak minded Just like Karl Marx, your wrong. Religion was invented by very clever people, to further their own aims and to keep the common people in shackles, and discourage free thinking, all the main patriarch based religions are the best fairy stories ever told, albeit very clever ones, they have been the cause of more death and suffering than anything in history, the spanish inquisition for instance makes the crimes of the Nazis look like a naughty schoolboy prank in comparison, religion breeds fanaticism, it is as plain as the nose on your face, but still the sheep follow. Belief and religion are two separate things. Once those clever people you mention realised people could be manipulated and controlled by their beliefs en masse, that's when religion was born.. I don't see Pagans(including Hindus),Sikhs or Buddhists being manipulated on a massive scale for profit,and i certainly don't see many fanatics in those faiths Islam/Christianity/Mormonism and Scientology to give 2 examples are entirely different. they exist only to manipulate people. Without a severe punishment for anyone who turns their back on those faiths they fade away,like Christianity will soon. 'give back to caesar what is his (your money),and give back to god what is his (your life)'-and then we'll all live happily ever after in heaven. it's no wonder the Roman empire became the holy Roman empire,they found a religion which any idiot can follow and will encourage them to be meek,submissive subjects. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
neems 2,406 Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 Tell me, where are these god given rights? Where can I find them? It's a figure of speach, nothing more. The government still technically just represents the Crown (apparently),and the queen is gods messenger on earth. so any rights the queen gives us (via the government) are not in fact given by the queen just passed on by yahweh. So if you're a christian in this country you could well believe our rights are given to us by the Hebrew god of war,by way of a posh old woman. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,638 Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 Did we really get them for ourselves though? We are crown subjects here in the UK which means we are subjected to the power and the will of the crown even if it is exercised by whatever set of politicians we elect. That's the reason they brought they crown back after the civil war, they realised they could use the power of the crown over us without a monarch being the one in charge. Any rights the likes of me and you have were given to us. I wouldn't say we have god given rights in reality though.. Given to us by the monarch or whatever, they weren't given to us by God and if we eliminated 'God' we would still have those rights. Whatever they are exactly? Whether we live in a dictatorship or a true democracy, individual rights were earnt through years of society, not given to us by some devine power. The term 'God given' could equally be re-termed 'nature given', the only difference being some people want/need/feel there is an intelligence behind nature. I'll not knock anybodys faith, but I'm not good at sitting back when it's implied I should be grateful for the rights I have been given by God. I have a little bit too much pride in Man for that... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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