Personal/family protection dog

[Bangersanmash 4,943]

7 minutes ago, Pardus said:

Without a doubt, Akita's are very ignorant dogs and just don't take well to training, but they are natural guard dogs. A Mastiff would be more obedient and are natural guard dogs as well. You say you want it to be a field dog as well, have you considered an Airedale Terrier, sounds just the dog you are after?

My mate had an Irish pit. He pulled up at my mates yard once. An a seen the 24 pack of stella on passenger seat. Didn't notice the irish pit laid down in footwell. Went to open door and the c**t just jumped up. f***ing teeth on window was enough for me to f**k off back in house lol. 

[Aussie Whip 4,287]

A neutered APBT male, my daughter has one and two young sons. The dog also gets on well with my male and female terriers and grew when they visit. Nobody would get past him but he's very tolerant and gentle with the young kids, great dogs.

[TOMO 28,427]

Them Belgium mals...are top dog for this kind of work surely...

Of course there's lots of breeds that do this work....but what about an ozzy cattle dog

[Bangersanmash 4,943]

6 minutes ago, Pardus said:

They are horse sized, a fella near my old man had a pack of them, he gave one away to a local lad because it was getting bullied by the rest, still, that's as big as a Saint Bernard. Lol

f***ing massive lol

[WILF 49,716]

For what it’s worth, the oldest and most practical methods like a baseball bat and a bayonet by the bed, keeping your gun cabinet and some ammo in your bedroom are the most you can do.

A dog is almost useless in reality, it’s as much of a deterrent as an alarm box on the wall.

A family home isn’t like a scrap yard where you can leave beasts of dogs just running loose, you can’t have dogs like that round a family home.

Some of these gangs will torture the life out of you if they get in, happened to a few young family’s round my old way, you just have to be prepared to do them in and ask questions later……an absolutely horrible situation for normal, everyday, law abiding people. 

[gnipper 6,761]

Would your spaniels guard if they were in the house Born? Most thieving scum are deterred by the barking of a dog rather than the breed of it and all dogs can be taken out if they really wanted to. This spaniel of mine sounds like an alsatian and can hear a mouse fart at the front of our house. 

If you were to go down the shepherd route then look into it carefully,  some lines are calmer than others. I know someone who trains and sells family protection dogs too if you were after buying a ready made one.

[Born Hunter 17,909]

16 minutes ago, WILF said:

First and foremost, I’m deeply sorry to read this mate…..I hope you and your family are not too shaken up, I know you were away (thank god) but all the same it’s a terrible thing for a family to have to deal with.

I regret to inform you that before I moved this had become just a common thing.

In the incidents that happened round me not all of the family’s were away, in fact people being there don’t bother these animals one little bit…..just be thankful you were away because plenty round my old way were brutalised in the most hideous way. 
Im not trying to make a bad situation worse, just telling the truth.

A dog, imho, will hopefully give you and your family some comfort but I have to tell you these gangs don’t care about a dog themselves, they just kill them and that’s it. 
You on the other hand have to spend your life managing a man work dog around a child, something that in my opinion will require almost constantly being switched on and vigilant. 
 

It’s a shit no win situation, nothing to be done about it, that’s just the place Britain is. 
Sorry to be so negative, I’d like to say “yes that’s works” to you but I can’t because I’ve lived in an area where this became an almost every month or week thing and I’m fully aware of how these people operate. 

I appreciate your words. I’m fully aware of how this could go, hence this thread mate.

Interested in all opinions on this. I haven’t got the time to go into protection dog work as a full on hobby so any dog realistically needs to fit around my life like the rest of my dogs do. Perhaps my inexperience but I would say KNPV and trialing bred dogs are very unlikely to fit me just like the same stuff in gundogs don’t.

And again I know the filthiest of this type will happily kill dogs but does dealing with it buy time? Does it filter out all but the worst?

[Pardus 1,610]

3 minutes ago, TOMO said:

Them Belgium mals...are top dog for this kind of work surely...

Of course there's lots of breeds that do this work....but what about an ozzy cattle dog

Surely too much dog for a family? Think of the times when he's not at home and there's a hyper biting machine in the house with the mrs and young kids? My half cousin is a police dog hander and on the odd occasion I do see him, at funerals lol, he's mentioned how wappie they are. I liked this Shepherd he had but don't think it made the grade.

 

[downsouth 8,333]

Ive kept guardian breeds and done personal protection traing for best part of 25+ years and Id say you don't need to go down the route of a fully trained pp dog.Youd be far better of getting a well bred pup of a breed known for being naturally territorial and protective of their family.Do all the stuff you've suggested with it so that it's confident in all situations and above all keep it in the house around yourself and your family so that it grows up wanting to protect your home not it's kennel.Going down the full on pp route is going to give you a headache

[Born Hunter 17,909]

15 minutes ago, scotty12 said:

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Have a look on the above link mate.

 

all depends what your after if you need an adult instantly or willing to bring a pup on personally I would want one from a pup so you have that personal bond with the family from the off wouldn’t 100% trust bringing in  a fully trained adult. 
I know what wilfs saying they can just kill the dog ect  bust most people on the rob are looking for an easy fix if you’ve got a half decent dog and your neighbours ain’t you bet there going to the neighbours 

 

your options are splashing on a dog that’s  already fully trained ? 
 

buying a pup  and sending it away for full protection training 

 

buying a pup and let it bond with the family then  send it off for basic commands like bark on command etc etc. 

 

 

 

I’d go for a pup without doubt. I’d be hard pressed to trust an adult.

[lurcherman 887 13,425]

Hope alls well mate you can buy them ready to go but very pricey 

 

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[WILF 49,716]

Just now, Born Hunter said:

I appreciate your words. I’m fully aware of how this could go, hence this thread mate.

Interested in all opinions on this. I haven’t got the time to go into protection dog work as a full on hobby so any dog realistically needs to fit around my life like the rest of my dogs do. Perhaps my inexperience but I would say KNPV and trialing bred dogs are very unlikely to fit me just like the same stuff in gundogs don’t.

And again I know the filthiest of this type will happily kill dogs but does dealing with it buy time? Does it filter out all but the worst?

Good locks in your doors and windows and an alarm system buys you the time to get access to the tools to defend your family mate.

Stall these people and have access to your guns, that’s the best protection you have. 

jmho

[Born Hunter 17,909]

7 minutes ago, WILF said:

For what it’s worth, the oldest and most practical methods like a baseball bat and a bayonet by the bed, keeping your gun cabinet and some ammo in your bedroom are the most you can do.

A dog is almost useless in reality, it’s as much of a deterrent as an alarm box on the wall.

A family home isn’t like a scrap yard where you can leave beasts of dogs just running loose, you can’t have dogs like that round a family home.

Some of these gangs will torture the life out of you if they get in, happened to a few young family’s round my old way, you just have to be prepared to do them in and ask questions later……an absolutely horrible situation for normal, everyday, law abiding people. 

Again mate, when I’m there I’m the first and last line of offence. My concern is when I’m not. Putting a series of other measures in place too but they’re all defensive.

[downsouth 8,333]

8 minutes ago, TOMO said:

Them Belgium mals...are top dog for this kind of work surely...

Of course there's lots of breeds that do this work....but what about an ozzy cattle dog

No they're not.Theyre ok if you're out doing patrols for hours or doing sport training several times a week but for a home guardian they are way to hypo.Ive seen lads that train with their dogs and do security for a living get Mali pups and a few months later be pulling their hair out when theyve got something that's trashing their kennels,trashing their van and spends 20hrs a day barking at every little sound.

[Born Hunter 17,909]

8 minutes ago, gnipper said:

Would your spaniels guard if they were in the house Born? Most thieving scum are deterred by the barking of a dog rather than the breed of it and all dogs can be taken out if they really wanted to. This spaniel of mine sounds like an alsatian and can hear a mouse fart at the front of our house. 

If you were to go down the shepherd route then look into it carefully,  some lines are calmer than others. I know someone who trains and sells family protection dogs too if you were after buying a ready made one.

No my spaniels are soft as shite. They’re a bit aloof with strangers but totally soft. In fact I believe them not being at home is part of the reason I was targeted. Yard was quiet for 3 days. Which again is something I can change.