VOON 1,313 Posted April 1, 2023 Report Share Posted April 1, 2023 2 minutes ago, Francie, said: That starmer knew all about the grooming gangs That article specifically relates to the CPS and the Rochdale grooming gangs correct? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VOON 1,313 Posted April 1, 2023 Report Share Posted April 1, 2023 2 hours ago, Francie, said: @VOONseems starmer knew an was willing to apolagise for not dealing with the cases according to his right hand man prosecutor. What do you make of this read carefully Hybrid Car For Seniors: Price Might Surprise You AdAporia | Search Ads My first boss: Nazir Afzal, former chief crown prosecutor, on Keir Starmer Rod Gilmour 27 May 2022·6-min read Chief crown prosecutor Nazir Afzal, right, speaks to the media after broadcaster Stuart Hall was sentenced to 15 months in prison in 2013. Photo: Nigel Roddis/Getty More Birmingham-born Nazir Afzal was the chief crown prosecutor for north-west England and led the Rochdale grooming gang cases in 2012, overturning a decision by the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) not to bring charges. During his near 25-year career, he nationally led issues of violence against women and girls, child sexual abuse and honour-based violence. Scroll to continue with content Ad Nordace You’ll Never Use an Ordinary Backpack Again Use this backpack and you'll never go back to a normal backpack again! It is packed with features that make travel, work, or daily commute a breeze. READ MORE Described as an "outstanding public servant", his book The Prosecutor was published in 2020 and is currently being turned into a British TV drama with Keeley Hawes. In April, he became the University of Manchester's new chancellor. In 2008, when I was acting chief prosecutor for London, the government appointed Keir Starmer as director for public prosecutions and head of the CPS which meant I directly reported to him. Keir recognised that one of my key strengths was engagement with the public and he pretty much told me to get out there and explain to the public what we do, why we do it and to bring back intelligence as to what they were concerned about. Read more: My first boss: Nick Wheeler, founder of shirt maker Charles Tyrwhitt To demonstrate his willingness to do this in his first few weeks, we both went to a school in north London where we explained the role of prosecutors. I hadn’t appreciated that it was a primary school and the conversations turned to police cars and uniforms! But the intent was there and for Keir, with teachers in attendance, it was a first chance to talk about the role. My first impressions were that he left me to my own devices, which I was delighted about, trusted me and I could share anything or speak with him directly. He made it his mission, as part of his responsibility for all the prosecutions in England and Wales, to get around everywhere. We were on the road a lot and would occasionally meet at train stations and he wanted me to find him the people — local groups, agencies, charities, NGOs — that he needed to speak to. Keir Starmer QC, during his time as director of public prosecutions. Photo: PA We then had to reduce our budgets with a new government and the CPS decided to regionalise as a result. I told Keir that I wanted to move to the north-west where the prosecution service was the equivalent size to London. It was an opportunity to work in a new environment and area where I knew nobody, but with similar case loads when I was chief in London, at a time when my children were relatively young and I never saw them. My quality of life was poor and I explained it to Keir, who quickly understood. Almost immediately, I found the north-west even more challenging than London and I became aware of the Rochdale grooming gangs. The only way we could bring that case was to admit that we had failed these victims when they had first made a complaint in 2008. Keir was 100% behind the decision to publicly admit that we had got it wrong in the past. He then said we should change the policy, no longer would we say that a decision was unreasonable and we would also use the word "wrong". This was an acknowledgement that we had failed and that we wanted to put them right. Read more: My first boss: Jessie Childs, British author and historian I had arrived to a baptism of fire, which also included a household which killed a burglar. Under pressure from the national press, I needed to move swiftly and I decided not to prosecute the householder, making it clear that we would stand by those who defend their homes. Again, Keir didn't blink at my decision and he told me to stand in front of the cameras and explain what I had done. It was about reassurance and Keir was not seeking publicity for himself. Having been a lawyer, he didn’t have the experience of dealing with the public as much as I had. I knew I could lean on him for law and general support, and he looked to me for opening doors to community groups and was prepared to put himself in situations he had never been in before. Nazir Afzal (R), winner of the Lifetime Achievement award, presented by Adil Ray (L) during the Pride Of Birmingham Awards in March 2022. Photo: Anthony Devlin/Getty More When we had the riots and disorders, I came across a situation where the police force couldn’t cope and were using vans to hold people. We managed to open the courts for literally nights in order to free up the capacity. Keir didn’t need explanations and said "yes, let’s do it". By now I had prosecuted criminals for 20 years, yet nobody had ever come to my home. I had far-right supporters outside my house and needed police protection, while my children went to school in taxis for months. I received thousands of emails and was drowning in the abuse — even though I had got every decision right — and I couldn’t hide away from the abuse cases. I knew my family had to be kept safe and Keir was the first to make that all happen. Read more: My first boss: Anne Boden, CEO and founder of Starling Bank I explained to him that we needed to look at the other sexual abuse cases and to bring forward any which had been dealt with wrongly. In a short space of time we were jointly running these panels and reversing decision after decision, while supporting the police which had brought Max Clifford, Rolf Harris and others before the court. Keir was clear in his mind that history tells us that abuse happened decades ago and he simply asked what resources I needed. I had known previous bosses who had said if there was any media, that they would deal with it and they were quick to take credit for successes. With Keir it was never the case and in his mind I had become the expert. I hope in some small way we have changed the landscape of child protection. Keir left in 2013, the CPS having gone from being dire at doing sex abuse cases to having the highest conviction rate in our history. That wouldn’t have been possible without the support, resources and the protection I was given by Keir, at a time when it would have been easier to give up. Have you read carefully, Francis….. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francie, 1,723 Posted April 1, 2023 Report Share Posted April 1, 2023 3 minutes ago, VOON said: Now Francie….away with you….we were talking about Saville….no changing of goalposts and changing the narrative to suit your synopsis…. Haha i thought we were talking about the grooming gangs my apolagies Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VOON 1,313 Posted April 1, 2023 Report Share Posted April 1, 2023 Just now, Francie, said: Haha i thought we were talking about the grooming gangs my apolagies An you’re telling me to read carefully….. Francie men have been shot for less… 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francie, 1,723 Posted April 1, 2023 Report Share Posted April 1, 2023 13 minutes ago, scotty12 said: Phillip Schofield's brother Timothy told him about sex act with teenage boy, court hears NEWS.SKY.COM Timothy Schofield denies three counts of causing a child to watch sexual activity, three counts of... Noncie Phil should get done for preventing the court of justice …. Couple of Vile b*****ds What do you mean scotty,how was schofields brother get caught,by the sounds of that news report he told phil all about it,was it phil that went to cops? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francie, 1,723 Posted April 1, 2023 Report Share Posted April 1, 2023 1 minute ago, VOON said: An you’re telling me to read carefully….. Francie men have been shot for less… So why did starmer not prosecute saville Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VOON 1,313 Posted April 1, 2023 Report Share Posted April 1, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Francie, said: So why did starmer not prosecute saville Read the report he didn’t know about it……That’s my opinion based on the facts….having made up my own mind….not having my pants taken down, following the crowd as someone quoted on here.. did you read it? Edited April 1, 2023 by VOON Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VOON 1,313 Posted April 1, 2023 Report Share Posted April 1, 2023 12 minutes ago, VOON said: That article specifically relates to the CPS and the Rochdale grooming gangs correct? Well? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francie, 1,723 Posted April 1, 2023 Report Share Posted April 1, 2023 1 minute ago, VOON said: Read the report he didn’t know about it……That’s my opinion based on the facts….having made up my own….not having my pants taken down, following the crowd as someone quoted on here.. did you read it? Yep i downloaded the pdf we will agree to disagree on this one,but you cant tell me you support starmer do you? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VOON 1,313 Posted April 1, 2023 Report Share Posted April 1, 2023 1 minute ago, Francie, said: Yep i downloaded the pdf we will agree to disagree on this one,but you cant tell me you support starmer do you? Support him on what….would never support Labour too lefty for me…never support Tories….never gave a fook about Ireland destroyed it…. to quote you….Starmer would be 10 times the man Johnson was….Sunak is a different kettle of fish…quietly getting things done…I think the longer he has before the election the closer it will be…assuming no big scandal around the corner for him…which only suspending Boris for 9 days might kill his momentum… Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VOON 1,313 Posted April 1, 2023 Report Share Posted April 1, 2023 7 minutes ago, Francie, said: Yep i downloaded the pdf we will agree to disagree on this one,but you cant tell me you support starmer do you? I’m interested to hear why you think Starmer knew of Saville after reading that report? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Aussie Whip 3,827 Posted April 1, 2023 Report Share Posted April 1, 2023 1 hour ago, shaaark said: Had a couple of prostate examinations myself, the last few years, for a couple of different reasons. No big deal. Don't know why all the MACHO HE MEN on this site make such a big deal about it. f***ing grow up, you REAL HARDCORE MEN!!! If you'd asked for a second opinion I'd be worried ,lol. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scotty12 1,376 Posted April 1, 2023 Report Share Posted April 1, 2023 1 hour ago, Francie, said: What do you mean scotty,how was schofields brother get caught,by the sounds of that news report he told phil all about it,was it phil that went to cops? He got caught cos the young lad was getting counselling and must have spilled the beans and they informed the police …. But this was at a later date when Timothy who also works as an it technician for the police ( Phipps brother ) had informed Phil of watching porn and wanking off the young lad …. Phil was knowingly covering for his beastly brother …. just remember also Phil only came out as gay because one of the young boys he was shagging was going to expose it all if he never told his wife 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francie, 1,723 Posted April 2, 2023 Report Share Posted April 2, 2023 6 hours ago, scotty12 said: He got caught cos the young lad was getting counselling and must have spilled the beans and they informed the police …. But this was at a later date when Timothy who also works as an it technician for the police ( Phipps brother ) had informed Phil of watching porn and wanking off the young lad …. Phil was knowingly covering for his beastly brother …. just remember also Phil only came out as gay because one of the young boys he was shagging was going to expose it all if he never told his wife An the c**ts still on tv as if nothing happened 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foxdropper 17,092 Posted April 2, 2023 Report Share Posted April 2, 2023 You’d be forgiven for thinking the Beeb was corrupt then . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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