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Hello all.?

Just an update as it has been a while.I have been looking for a subsonic .22LR hollow point that shoots well from a cold clean bore and have recently started using RWS subs which do well, typically from the first shot..I have used a few different brands of subsonic H.P.s and they all group quite well after 5 or so fouling shots, but RWS like the cold clean bore,needless to say I am a happy and for me, decent shooting.?.I have used the RWS before in the old Annie 1416 DG and it was equally consistent in that rifle.

A couple of typical below all from a cold clean bore..My scope is a Hawke Vantage x2 -x7 32mm A.O. with illuminated reticle which is a great field scope but lacks magnification for target shooting so is sometimes difficult to deduce if a shot has been pulled, but I love the scope.

Have a good weekend all.?


RWS SUBS 25 Metres.jpg

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2 hours ago, David.evans said:

Any reason you never zeroed at 50 

good group all the same ?Atb 

Hi David thank you.?...It is easier to zero at my gun club on the 25 metre range sometimes as I can shoot seated on a bench.If I zero on the 50m, I have to shoot prone which I find a bit uncomfortable.

The second reason is my scope is a Hawke Vantage which is a low magnification (x2-x7) and at 50m the entire bullseye is covered by the crosshair, so if I pull a shot it is not always easy to discern.The Hawke is a great field scope, but for targets not enough mag.for me.

I am 1/2 inch high, which should in theory but me at 50 yards for zeroing, hopefully,lol.


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1 hour ago, Rimfire Rifles Freedom said:

Hey Sausagedog. I use a very gentle on the bore / safe  Patchworm pull through kit after every outing even if it is a few shots, so very cold and clean.I do like the 457 a lot.

You are not supposed to clean a 22lr barrel all the time. It needs to get a complete coating of bullet lube for the bullet lube to work on each shot. You may lose the fliers if you stop cleaning it!

A 22 barrel does not ever get hot enough for heat to be an issue unless you have a belt fed auto.

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32 minutes ago, Sausagedog said:

You are not supposed to clean a 22lr barrel all the time. It needs to get a complete coating of bullet lube for the bullet lube to work on each shot. You may lose the fliers if you stop cleaning it!

A 22 barrel does not ever get hot enough for heat to be an issue unless you have a belt fed auto.

Thanks.I only get the flyer on the first or second round with some subsonic ammo (not RWS subs) and not  usually with match ammo.

I am not concerned about the flyers as with the RWS subs this just does not really occur and  also very infrequently with match ammo (as mentioned).

CZ say  in the owners manual 'If the firearms has not been fired or if only a few cartridges have been fired, clean the barrel and cartridge chamber with a clean patch' etc..CZ also say if the bore is dirtier use a cleaning solution and brush etc, which I do not do, as i always use the Patchworm kit.

I also have a Tipton Boresnake which is very good, but I only have the Tipton as a backup.My main method (as mentioned) is the Patchworm kit.

You are probably right about not cleaning until necessary i.e, until the bore is filthy and / or accuracy goes, but I am a stickler for what the owner's manual says and it is something I have always done and with the RWS subs, it is all good anyway.


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The cz manual is doing what is generally known as ' covering their arse'. Millions of 22 shooters will tell you the same as me buddy.

If you think about what they have written they are not concerned with dirt or fouling but condensation causing corrosion.

You do whatever. 

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Must admit I never clean my .22 Tikka except on it's birthday..........        I use RWS as well and can only sing it's praises, superb ammo and better than anything else I have tried but eley came a close second.

Cleaning every time you use the gun is just not a good idea at all..................................................STOP IT ?


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