Jury service

[Moocher71 4,050]

1 hour ago, DIDO.1 said:

I'm studying law in my spare time....I'm not saying I'm correct but it's as I see it...

You simply cannot get 18 month for shoplifting at all. Maybe in years past....but then you could dunk your wife in the village pond for gossiping years ago as well.

In my experience magistrates, today, in the ones I have observed, haven't been that way and in the vast majority of cases I could see their reasons and thought process. 

7 years is maximum crown can give for theft qndvshop lifting is theft is it not ? 

Magistrate can give 12 months but can send it to crown ,

Think you need to study bit more 

[WILF 49,353]

3 minutes ago, DIDO.1 said:

Yeah....if lots of other things come into play....previous, committed while on another sentence or licence etc. My point was, today, you aren't going to get 18 month for A PACK OF BACON or A KITKAT . From what I've seen,in life and in court....the full story never matches the headline .

I suspect these days the courts are so backed up that they try and move the small stuff through as quick as possible.

They are chucking them out of nick as quick as they can put them in, the whole lot is probably bursting at the seams. 

[Moocher71 4,050]

5 minutes ago, WILF said:

I disagree with that, me and my pals gave evidence in Magistrates court after a couple of coppers tried to do a number on a pal of ours……now we was young, very early 20s males who I don’t suppose looked like Boy Scouts but fair play…..we told them the story which was basically that the cozzers were liars who just wanted to give our pal aggro and they listened and were polite (as were we) and they threw it out.

All depends on the court ,

Only people in magistrate courts who no the law is the Clark and the defence solicitor and prosecution, the 3 beaks no f all about the law and that's why they ask the Clark what they can and can not do ,

I've never got a not guilty in mag ,but walked several times in crown 

[chartpolski 27,120]

I thought magistrates can only give up to 6month ?

May be wrong, as I'm a law abiding, pillar of the community !

Cheers.

[WILF 49,353]

1 minute ago, Moocher71 said:

All depends on the court ,

Only people in magistrate courts who no the law is the Clark and the defence solicitor and prosecution, the 3 beaks no f all about the law and that's why they ask the Clark what they can and can not do ,

I've never got a not guilty in mag ,but walked several times in crown 

I suppose the moral of that story is, if they keep seeing your mug for tea and biscuits every other month they are going to get the arseache and weigh you off ! Lol 

[DIDO.1 22,856]

4 minutes ago, Moocher71 said:

7 years is maximum crown can give for theft qndvshop lifting is theft is it not ? 

Magistrate can give 12 months but can send it to crown ,

Think you need to study bit more 

Perhaps I do. As I've said with most comments, I'm not 100%. 

I have actually  said....up to to 2 years now and can commit to crown for sentencing.

Again I cleared up my point that you aren't going to get 18 month for a pack of bacon or a KitKat. With many other things coming into play and other offences maybe. 

[DIDO.1 22,856]

3 minutes ago, chartpolski said:

I thought magistrates can only give up to 6month ?

May be wrong, as I'm a law abiding, pillar of the community !

Cheers.

2 years in total 

[jok 3,429]

Charts. Can you imagine this conversation or the outcome in Jeddah or Rhiyad? Jok.

[chartpolski 27,120]

3 minutes ago, jok said:

Charts. Can you imagine this conversation or the outcome in Jeddah or Rhiyad? Jok.

There was a saying, "in court Monday, chop square Friday " !

Anyway, I had to have a look at what magistrates could do;

https://www.gov.uk/courts

Cheers.

 

 

[mC HULL 15,367]

13 minutes ago, DIDO.1 said:

2 years in total 

12 month i think ?

[DIDO.1 22,856]

1 minute ago, mC HULL said:

12 month i think ?

Yeah...I've just checked....spent 2 days studying the increased sentencing powers as well . Perhaps my head teacher was right and I never will amount to anything

[mC HULL 15,367]

Just now, DIDO.1 said:

Yeah...I've just checked....spent 2 days studying the increased sentencing powers as well . Perhaps my head teacher was right and I never will amount to anything

must of had the same teacher  

[si brown 8,486]

Never been called on and neither have any of my close mates, got tickets for all sorts.. spent many a night board in the cells!

one thing my old boss use to go mad about was that I couldn’t get cleared to work on new jails 

[low plains drifter 11,095]

2 hours ago, chartpolski said:

My brother did jury duty years ago, a very old man was charged with shoplifting, he had walked out of a supermarket with a packet of bacon.

As the jury deliberated , my brother said he would never find the old boy guilty. He said the old chap may have just forgot he had the bacon, or he may have been desperate for something to eat, and either way, why should 12 people take days off work for the price of a packet of bacon ? 

Common sense prevailed, the old chap was found not guilty......what a waste of time and money.

Cheers.

Did the bacon have the rind on? 

[Squirrel_Basher 17,102]

Many years ago 3 of us were on a charge of disturbing a badger sett and baiting a wild animal .The baiting was because we were in cuffs whilst the terrier fought the fox in a stop end .
So the day arrives when we were to go to magistrates court .We never got inside the door .One of the coppers had  disclosed that the wildlife officer had gone to a live sett nearby to verify it was in use and had written a different set of map co ordinates that wasn’t made available to our brief .

I knew the copper from a shoot syndicate .All charges dropped .It worked to our advantage that day .

We were  digging in a pig sett but to a fox we’d run in