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[Qbgrey 3,989]

My lads 15 and not keen on school, he. Ones with me sometimes but I’m not pushing him into the construction, yes you can earn a bit but it also can go wrong , lots of risk doing foundations, brickwork etc. and you have no private heath care, pension money, holiday / sick pay , bonuses etc. my daughter 25 yrs old earns over 55,000 got privat hospitals locking after her, works when she wants.I’m seriously fuming with this govt, they tax you on everything effing thing you do. And when your dead they rape you bad once again. Shocking and I can’t see how they are getting away with it. I’ve no prob helping veterans, disabled folk, and people genuinely need help that are uk humans, why should we help incoming benefit spongers that just want to rob the system. 

[WILF 44,386]

47 minutes ago, Mickey Finn said:

Ah, Biden is pretty much doing exactly what Trump started. Most of what you hear to the contrary is just political rhetoric.

Well, we have to look at this in as exact an order as we can. The US was hesitant to get involved in either of the world wars. After WWII, we were staring across the field at a huge soviet army. Everything you mention in your post were tools we used to protect ourselves from that army. That army is gone, and nukes aside. Russia appears to be a paper tiger. So, we don't need those tools anymore. Like you say, we have tremendous infrastructure concerns that have to be addressed.

So, good luck with NATO, and the Middle East! 

The Middle East is all in England mate, maybe we are keeping a close eye ? Lol 

[NEWKID 26,223]

5 hours ago, WILF said:

My daughter just blagged it and she is a legal assistant for some big gambling firm or something like that, works from home, never has to leave the house and her work is global.

Her and her boyfriend have just bought their first house in Belfast, she is 21.

He never has to leave the house either, does something called “coding” (??) online.

They are both on good money and all the benefits that come with a proper job, I’d never advise them to go it alone as a couple just doing a small business…..there was a time they could have earned more but I just don’t think that is the case now, better to pick up the cheque and not have any of the aggro. 
That can’t be healthy for a society can it mate ?…..I mean a society surely needs people who are going to get out and create something and it be worth their while don’t it ? 

Good on them mate, that's great going for such young adults.. you must be really proud and rightly so.

I guess I think there is opportunities for anyone with the right work ethic and if you want to step up your earnings then you need to take right amount of risk. The really wealthy people I know personally are entrepreneurial and extremely driven only one of them I can think of went to Uni, he worked for F1 for a bit and set up a very successful security camera/sensor business where they designed and installed security systems sold the company for a song and set up a clever scanning booth (we helped in early stage design), which is used at end of production line for cars to check any imperfections, clever bit of kit. I know quite a few blokes who run decent building firms, scrap yards, scaffold businesses etc and are worth a mint (multi multi mmillionaires), property etc, none ever went to Uni... I'm certainly not decrying education, far from it, but there are lots of ways to make money (you know only too well) and if you have the right mindset it is still there for you. I won't clog my lads views with negativity about being raped by our government or how many ways we are taxed as it could dampen the early drive/spirit, I tell him it is all there for him, take a chance, have a go etc... I agree with you and as an older more cynical man see the way we are pulled out straight, I genuinely feel sorry for people on the minimum wage grafting there nuts off to make ends meet, but (and I'm sorry if it offends) we all have the same opportunity, not everyone is built to take risks and put the extra bit in, and thats fine, but life can be a drag and a struggle if that's the case...

[NEWKID 26,223]

5 hours ago, mackem said:

Lot of kids do Mickey Mouse degrees,I know a girl who did philosophy and another who did fine arts,one now works in TK Maxx and the other works in a coffee shop,but a GOOD degree will take you far beyond the average tradesman in life,but I had to stress GOOD degree.

Many things will take you far beyond the "average" tradesman mate, yes a good degree can be one of those things, but I honestly think a lot of it is mindset. There are only so many top surgeons, top lawyers etc all have dedicated to study and their career, fantastic I tip my hat to them.... but like you say there are loads of people who go to University purely to appease pushy parents, or as it's the driven option at college (we are witnessing it now with Finley, his teachers can not work out why he wouldn't want to go). 

I guess I see it from point of view of successful working class, builder done good maybe, I've married a working class girl who was a hair dresser from 16, frowned upon as the stupid kids at college, she went on to build up and sale a very successful salon, helps a girl with training courses in and out (good friend of hers through the industry) that girl is in Aus teaching this week, flew there from 2 weeks teaching in LA, my point is trades can get you well beyond what is imagined if you have the mindset and drive. You will always have the "average tradesman" and they in the main earn really good money for minimal stress (the same as average solicitors or accountants etc) and that is great, but I get a bit sick of the general consensus in our education system that unless you go to Uni you'll be in a dead end job, kids need to be encouraged to use there strengths not have further education pushed on them as a tick box for the colleges and so  parents can have a pissing competition amongst themselves

 

[Wolfdog91 6,299]

6 hours ago, WILF said:

My daughter just blagged it and she is a legal assistant for some big gambling firm or something like that, works from home, never has to leave the house and her work is global.

Her and her boyfriend have just bought their first house in Belfast, she is 21.

He never has to leave the house either, does something called “coding” (??) online.

They are both on good money and all the benefits that come with a proper job, I’d never advise them to go it alone as a couple just doing a small business…..there was a time they could have earned more but I just don’t think that is the case now, better to pick up the cheque and not have any of the aggro. 
That can’t be healthy for a society can it mate ?…..I mean a society surely needs people who are going to get out and create something and it be worth their while don’t it ? 

Coding is basically when you type up a program/ the instructions the computer follows. If the user does ABC on the keyboard you the computer do XYZ. He basically builds apps ,games or whatever computer program from scratch . It's much more complicated then that but that's the real basics of it. Extremely important job nowadays 

[NEWKID 26,223]

3 hours ago, Qbgrey said:

My lads 15 and not keen on school, he. Ones with me sometimes but I’m not pushing him into the construction, yes you can earn a bit but it also can go wrong , lots of risk doing foundations, brickwork etc. and you have no private heath care, pension money, holiday / sick pay , bonuses etc. my daughter 25 yrs old earns over 55,000 got privat hospitals locking after her, works when she wants.I’m seriously fuming with this govt, they tax you on everything effing thing you do. And when your dead they rape you bad once again. Shocking and I can’t see how they are getting away with it. I’ve no prob helping veterans, disabled folk, and people genuinely need help that are uk humans, why should we help incoming benefit spongers that just want to rob the system. 

Good on your daughter mate, sounds a good screw.

Your lad will find his way, they all do in the end mate... I know what you mean about construction, but make him more rounded, look at Estimating, QS work, Draftsman etc, you can learn a trade and off shoot into other parts of it... I know you've done well in the game so he'll be learning off you anyway.

[waltjnr 5,995]

29 minutes ago, NEWKID said:

Good on your daughter mate, sounds a good screw.

Your lad will find his way, they all do in the end mate... I know what you mean about construction, but make him more rounded, look at Estimating, QS work, Draftsman etc, you can learn a trade and off shoot into other parts of it... I know you've done well in the game so he'll be learning off you anyway.

Good on your daughter mate, sounds a good screw.??

bit forward ! Lol 

Obviously joking ,but read funny in my head ,sorry 

[NEWKID 26,223]

7 minutes ago, waltjnr said:

Good on your daughter mate, sounds a good screw.??

bit forward ! Lol 

Obviously joking ,but read funny in my head ,sorry 

Haha...yeah, wasn't perhaps the best phrasing when handing out compliments lol

[waltjnr 5,995]

3 minutes ago, NEWKID said:

Haha...yeah, wasn't perhaps the best phrasing when handing out compliments lol

And knew the context it was meant ,i was just being a twat lol

[WILF 44,386]

1 hour ago, Wolfdog91 said:

Coding is basically when you type up a program/ the instructions the computer follows. If the user does ABC on the keyboard you the computer do XYZ. He basically builds apps ,games or whatever computer program from scratch . It's much more complicated then that but that's the real basics of it. Extremely important job nowadays 

His is something to do with systems that operate aircraft I think…..whatever, it’s nerds crack ! Lol 

[keepdiggin 9,233]

Charlie Kirk has a great opinion on this 

[keepdiggin 9,233]

 

[WILF 44,386]

1 hour ago, NEWKID said:

Good on them mate, that's great going for such young adults.. you must be really proud and rightly so.

I guess I think there is opportunities for anyone with the right work ethic and if you want to step up your earnings then you need to take right amount of risk. The really wealthy people I know personally are entrepreneurial and extremely driven only one of them I can think of went to Uni, he worked for F1 for a bit and set up a very successful security camera/sensor business where they designed and installed security systems sold the company for a song and set up a clever scanning booth (we helped in early stage design), which is used at end of production line for cars to check any imperfections, clever bit of kit. I know quite a few blokes who run decent building firms, scrap yards, scaffold businesses etc and are worth a mint (multi multi mmillionaires), property etc, none ever went to Uni... I'm certainly not decrying education, far from it, but there are lots of ways to make money (you know only too well) and if you have the right mindset it is still there for you. I won't clog my lads views with negativity about being raped by our government or how many ways we are taxed as it could dampen the early drive/spirit, I tell him it is all there for him, take a chance, have a go etc... I agree with you and as an older more cynical man see the way we are pulled out straight, I genuinely feel sorry for people on the minimum wage grafting there nuts off to make ends meet, but (and I'm sorry if it offends) we all have the same opportunity, not everyone is built to take risks and put the extra bit in, and thats fine, but life can be a drag and a struggle if that's the case...

I agree almost completely mate, but I think now in a world where we can go anywhere I’d be seriously looking at what places embrace the entrepreneur rather than keep throwing chairs in his way.

Mind you, it’s the same old conversations down the ages…..my old pal god rest his soul was a machinery dealer (diggers, tracked machines, JCBs etc ), came out of a travelling family in the same area of Deptford as my people, he was a lot older than me by 30 years but he used to say “I should have took my family to America when I was young” 

So I suppose blokes of a certain age always have these conversations.

Looking back, nobody would have put me off so it’s a bit rich for me to give lectures but I genuinely feel for young people getting started in this world……that’s where education comes into its own I suppose, my nicked supermarket bread crate full of dusters and dishcloths and ironing board covers is todays educated youngsters laptop. 
 

 

[Born Hunter 17,639]

I think it’s still quite normal for tradesmen to go self employed. But modern industry more widely has many specialist professions that aren’t so suited to being self employed. They’re a cog that needs a machine. I’ve worked at a tiny tech company, a huge one and something in between. For me personally I don’t get much satisfaction out of the day to day of a small firm. Everything is a bit of a blag and Mickey Mouse. Working at a big firm that has the resources to really be top tier can be fulfilling in a way Fred in his shed just can’t compete with.

[NEWKID 26,223]

1 hour ago, WILF said:

I agree almost completely mate, but I think now in a world where we can go anywhere I’d be seriously looking at what places embrace the entrepreneur rather than keep throwing chairs in his way.

Mind you, it’s the same old conversations down the ages…..my old pal god rest his soul was a machinery dealer (diggers, tracked machines, JCBs etc ), came out of a travelling family in the same area of Deptford as my people, he was a lot older than me by 30 years but he used to say “I should have took my family to America when I was young” 

So I suppose blokes of a certain age always have these conversations.

Looking back, nobody would have put me off so it’s a bit rich for me to give lectures but I genuinely feel for young people getting started in this world……that’s where education comes into its own I suppose, my nicked supermarket bread crate full of dusters and dishcloths and ironing board covers is todays educated youngsters laptop. 
 

 

Yeah it's nearly always "I wish I travelled more" or "I wish I'd moved to...."... I think education is amazing if followed through to the end and utilised to it's potential, fantastic, I think it's a complete waste of time if it's 4 years on the piss to scrape a degree of sorts and start looking for work at £25k a year at 24 years old ... I love listening and working with educated people, my accountant is 73 years old and maybe the sharpest man I've ever known with numbers, I've known him a lot of years and still am amazed at some of the planning, financial advice, dare i say "dodges" he talks through with me... Other than me his clients are high net worth and he only has a few now, one being the scrap dealer I mentioned, the planning for him is extraordinary... I love trying to understand that level of financial wizardry lol, he is top of his field, dedicated time, study and has a mindset that makes him worth listening too .. I had an accountant years ago who was a pile of shit, cost me money and although held,in principle, the same qualification was light years away from the main man... Shoe box accountant, you know the type .. half hearted wrong mindset, educated yes, still shit ... 

Like anything there are levels, whether it's tradesman or the career professionals...