Assisted Death.

[pesky1972 5,591]

6 minutes ago, Francie, said:

What's the credibility in favour for it?

That people are allowed to die with a bit of dignity and not suffer an excruciating, painful and often lingering death.., and in the midst of all that have to witness the torment of their family (including children) and friends being forced to watch on helplessly, and knowing the trauma that they’ll be left with. We literally put animals out of their misery every day, but permit no such mercy to our loved ones. 

Some of the main arguments of the opposition and my take:

1. Disabled people ending their life as they feel guilt at being a burden. What’s to stop them taking their life without assisted dying?

2. People being ‘coerced’ into taking their own lives. With the correct safeguards and sign off I think this would be extremely difficult although granted not impossible.., but no more likely than someone being ‘talked into’ suicide.

3. ‘Sanctity of life’ primarily linked to religious beliefs. A personal belief which shouldn’t trump democracy.

[iworkwhippets 13,048]

Many moons ago, whilst my dear lady wife was by my side,   she used to work in an old folks home, every day, for roughly three years, I would drive down to the home, and pick her up, all the while there was this.old lady sat In her room gazing into.space,    day after day, month after month, I even took my dog Nell to visit her, but she was out of it, from then on, I promised missen, if ever the day comes, when i.feel reliant on folks, that's me done,  i have folks around me that's offered me help after my ops, including my daughter,,  no.thank you , I'm.still standing,     Make of that what you will,     I don't give a fcuk 

[Pardus 1,020]

11 minutes ago, iworkwhippets said:

Many moons ago, whilst my dear lady wife was by my side,   she used to work in an old folks home, every day, for roughly three years, I would drive down to the home, and pick her up, all the while there was this.old lady sat In her room gazing into.space,    day after day, month after month, I even took my dog Nell to visit her, but she was out of it, from then on, I promised missen, if ever the day comes, when i.feel reliant on folks, that's me done,  i have folks around me that's offered me help after my ops, including my daughter,,  no.thank you , I'm.still standing,     Make of that what you will,     I don't give a fcuk 

But the thing is she wouldn't know any different and might have actually been happy in herself?

[Francie, 2,556]

14 minutes ago, pesky1972 said:

That people are allowed to die with a bit of dignity and not suffer an excruciating, painful and often lingering death.., and in the midst of all that have to witness the torment of their family (including children) and friends being forced to watch on helplessly, and knowing the trauma that they’ll be left with. We literally put animals out of their misery every day, but permit no such mercy to our loved ones. 

Some of the main arguments of the opposition and my take:

1. Disabled people ending their life as they feel guilt at being a burden. What’s to stop them taking their life without assisted dying?

2. People being ‘coerced’ into taking their own lives. With the correct safeguards and sign off I think this would be extremely difficult although granted not impossible.., but no more likely than someone being ‘talked into’ suicide.

3. ‘Sanctity of life’ primarily linked to religious beliefs. A personal belief which shouldn’t trump democracy.

 

Fair enough that's your opinion,I'm not getting into a debate over it,but it's sending out a message that disabled people's lives Is worthless an they shouldn't be living,if your terminally ill your going to die anyway,taking care of a sick family member is precious imo,it a sad ending but in most cases it brings the family closer,shows humility an how much you care for your loved one to take care of them instead of just right,stick that needle in your gone see ya

[Francie, 2,556]

33 minutes ago, pesky1972 said:

That people are allowed to die with a bit of dignity and not suffer an excruciating, painful and often lingering death.., and in the midst of all that have to witness the torment of their family (including children) and friends being forced to watch on helplessly, and knowing the trauma that they’ll be left with. We literally put animals out of their misery every day, but permit no such mercy to our loved ones. 

Some of the main arguments of the opposition and my take:

1. Disabled people ending their life as they feel guilt at being a burden. What’s to stop them taking their life without assisted dying?

2. People being ‘coerced’ into taking their own lives. With the correct safeguards and sign off I think this would be extremely difficult although granted not impossible.., but no more likely than someone being ‘talked into’ suicide.

3. ‘Sanctity of life’ primarily linked to religious beliefs. A personal belief which shouldn’t trump democracy.

If you had a young child God forbid that had an illness,would you try an help them persevere an take care of them until they passed or would you want them to die?

[mackem 29,114]

6 minutes ago, Francie, said:

If you had a young child God forbid that had an illness,would you try an help them persevere a take care of them until they passed or would you want them to die?

IF they follow the Canadian guidelines you have to be over 18 years of age and of sound mind.

[pesky1972 5,591]

2 minutes ago, Francie, said:

it's sending out a message that disabled people's lives Is worthless an they shouldn't be living

I just don’t see that message.  The whole point in assisted dying to me is in bringing about a merciful end to a life which has lost all quality.., think later stages of cancer, MND, dementia etc. It’s nothing at all to do with disability as such. 

I know from past conversations on this that you talk from experience of nursing and losing someone, and believe also that you hold some strong Christian beliefs and so respect your opinions. But I also heard from a doctor, a man who’s signed the hypocratic oath to ‘do no harm’ who supports the right of people to choose not to suffer…, and he’ll have seen more suffering than most.  Everyone’s experience is different, my own includes an understanding I believe I have in how my mother was helped ‘over the line’ in her final hours by the administration of ‘pain relief’. I know whatever was done was merciful and in her and her family’s best interest, if not entirely ‘ethical’. 

[pesky1972 5,591]

20 minutes ago, Francie, said:

If you had a young child God forbid that had an illness,would you try an help them persevere an take care of them until they passed or would you want them to die?

From a personal perspective I wouldn’t want a child of mine to suffer, but like any parent I’d fight tooth and nail whilst there was still any hope. Difficult to quantify from your description of illness etc., but say my child drowned and was resuscitated with very little brain function, then I think it would be kinder to let them go. I don’t think you can describe that as ‘wanting them to die’ or as some sort of selfish act.., I believe it’s quite the opposite.  

[tatsblisters 10,812]

On 13/05/2025 at 21:01, Pardus said:

But the thing is she wouldn't know any different and might have actually been happy in herself?

That's true mate. An old mate of mine has ended up in the care home the wife works in with early signs of dementia first month he was trying to escape and would watch people pressing the key buttons to unlock the doors and memorising them and getting out only to go and sit in the garden of the home. Sad thing is he is aware of what's happening to him as he has told the wife his mother went the same way. Though the last 4 months he has been in the home he has settled down and is always cheerful and has a laugh with the wife and other staff. 

[Pardus 1,020]

6 minutes ago, tatsblisters said:

That's true mate. An old mate of mine has ended up in the care home the wife works in with early signs of dementia first month he was trying to escape and would watch people pressing the key buttons to unlock the doors and memorising them and getting out only to go and sit in the garden of the home. Sad thing is he is aware of what's happening to him as he has told the wife his mother went the same way. Though the last 4 months he has been in the home he has settled down and is always cheerful and has a laugh with the wife and other staff. 

The same with my grandmother, she was as sharp as a razor and then had a funny turn or two which I suspect was a stroke or something but in the space of a funny turn she lost her marbles. She went in a nursing home and I thought it was basically an immediate death sentence, but she kinda flourished in there for a few years before she passed. It's one thing I do regret though, I didn't visit her enough, but I hate places like that and found it hard to see her when she wasn't the person I once knew, I just didn't like it.

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[tatsblisters 10,812]

3 minutes ago, Pardus said:

The same with my grandmother, she was as sharp as a razor and then had a funny turn or two which I suspect was a stroke or something but in the space of a funny turn she lost her marbles. She went in a nursing home and I thought it was basically an immediate death sentence, but she kinda flourished in there for a few years before she passed. It's one thing I do regret though, I didn't visit her enough, but I hate places like that and found it hard to see her when she wasn't the person I once knew, I just didn't like it.

It's as sad for the families mate. This lad i am on about i used to bump into him most mornings on a walk out and have 20 minutes putting the world to rights seeing him walking his labrador though last time I spoke to him he was just going on about a phone he had bought from cash converters and was totally out of character for him. He often asks the wife about me and I keep saying i will make the effort to go and see him one weekend. 

[pesky1972 5,591]

On 13/05/2025 at 21:01, Pardus said:

But the thing is she wouldn't know any different and might have actually been happy in herself?

Suppose that’s the crux of the issue though, it’s about choice as much as the debate on who gets to choose. If you choose to go on and be cared for until your body finally gives up, despite everything medical science can throw at it, then nobody should be able to prevent you. I see those frail old men, drooling at the mouth and sitting in their own piss, permanently confused and terrified look on their faces because they can’t remember who anyone is, or have a clue what’s going on around them.., a million miles from the men they were in their prime.  I think fcuk that, I want the right to check out when, what I consider to be, a dignified and life actually worth living comes to an end. 

[iworkwhippets 13,048]

1 hour ago, pesky1972 said:

Suppose that’s the crux of the issue though, it’s about choice as much as the debate on who gets to choose. If you choose to go on and be cared for until your body finally gives up, despite everything medical science can throw at it, then nobody should be able to prevent you. I see those frail old men, drooling at the mouth and sitting in their own piss, permanently confused and terrified look on their faces because they can’t remember who anyone is, or have a clue what’s going on around them.., a million miles from the men they were in their prime.  I think fcuk that, I want the right to check out when, what I consider to be, a dignified and life actually worth living comes to an end. 

Seen all the above with my uncle,  I used to visit him in an old folks home back in the 70s, he didn't know who I was, nobody's wiping my arse cept me 

[WataWalloper 2,463]

3 hours ago, iworkwhippets said:

Seen all the above with my uncle,  I used to visit him in an old folks home back in the 70s, he didn't know who I was, nobody's wiping my arse cept me 

We can see it all now 

[fireman 11,234]

Sod what the law says,if a member of my family or a close pal need help in ending their suffering then i'd give them help. If it was asked for with a clear mind then it's a no brainer to be honest. Nothing more than what mari curie nurses do every week and give a jab that ends suffering..