More pentagon confirmed UFO,s ??

[Greb147 6,808]

12 minutes ago, Born Hunter said:

Well, on the evidence front I actually think there is, but that's not why I changed my mind. Evidence doesn't have to be conclusive and I'd say the Nimitz incident along with other similar events are awfully hard to explain. Technology of extra terrestrial origins remains a credible possibility, until proven otherwise imo.

But as I said, that's not why I changed my mind from a hard no. What changed my mind is purely hypothetical reasoning, as we don't have much in the way of knowledge on it, so it's all I have to work with (Bill Gates hasn't cleared me for super top secret access to SpaceX's area 51 yet, sorry ).... 

I used to be a hard no for two reasons. 1) the belief that if an advanced species found us they'd have wiped us out by now, based on the history of advanced human societies meeting less advanced. And 2) I believed it to be very unlikely that a species could really do any meaningful space travel because of the physical and technological problems that would have to be overcome.

For those two reasons I believed it wasn't impossible just very very unlikely.

On 1), though the history on Earth is of more advanced people wiping out less advanced, that was always down to competition for resource. In a Universe full of resource what does the Earth offer that isn't more easily found elsewhere? Absolutely nothing..... with one exception, life! Life likely has no intrinsic value to an advanced inter galactic species and so there's no reason to conquer Earth or whatever, but it does seem to be sufficiently rare to be of interest scientifically. Essentially, I don't think we would be wiped out by an advanced species, but studied by their biologists, which would involve minimal interference.

On 2) Even if faster than light travel is effectively impossible, no warp drives, no stargates etc, the only reason the distance is an issue is because of the time it takes to travel it. It seems more and more likely that biological life will merge or be superseded by technological life, at which point time is essentially meaningless as there's no longer a time limit on how long our bodies can last. An advanced species which is capable of some sort of modest space travel may well be fully AI or a technologically enhanced biological species and simply hibernate for a million years, doing this as often as they like because there's no limit on their life span anymore. Time just wouldn't matter anymore to them like it does to us who have orbits of the sun from beginning to end.

I agree with the things you're saying but that's more along the lines that there's a possibility that they are out there, not that they have provably visited us. 

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[Greb147 6,808]

1 minute ago, Greyman said:

Especially with your powers of observation, there would be nowhere safe for them on any galaxy, simple question and I’m a bit like born on this one, still on the fence, but why would the American government be setting up a department to deal with uap,s as they now call them if there was nothing there, have you been contacted yet about your roll in the department mate ????

Quite simple really, it's just a smokescreen. 

You're the first to mock folk for being a sheeple, well you're starting to sound like the king of the flock mate.

[Born Hunter 17,639]

  

8 minutes ago, Greb147 said:

I agree with the things you're saying but that's more along the lines that there's a possibility that they are out there, not that they have provably visited us. 

Was that not clear in my first post? 

2 hours ago, Born Hunter said:

I used to be a hard no but a few things have changed my mind over the years. Now, I’m not swayed either way so I can’t answer, I’d literally be spinning a dice for an answer.

 

[Greb147 6,808]

4 minutes ago, Born Hunter said:

  

Was that not clear in my first post? 

 

The odds are massively in favour of extraterrestrial life, no doubt about that. 

But like I said, if they are advanced enough to visit us then they sure as hell would be advanced enough to visit under the radar. 

Unless of course they want to be noticed which then asks the question why have they been so discreet about it?

[Born Hunter 17,639]

10 minutes ago, Greb147 said:

Quite simple really, it's just a smokescreen. 

I really don't think it's just a smoke screen. They have sufficient data/evidence to suggest there is 'something' with capabilities that are potentially threatening to a carrier strike group in play and they want to know what it is. There's a long history of this sort of stuff but it's only in recent years that military technology has really made leaps in the quality and implementation of sensors. Historically it's been easy to dismiss evidence when it was solely from the eyes of a pilot, but now there's a multitude of sensors gathering data that is a bit harder to dismiss.

In fact, I'd go as far as to say if the events reported have a boring terrestrial origin then the DoD would be even more concerned than if it was of extra terrestrial origin!

[Born Hunter 17,639]

1 minute ago, Greb147 said:

The odds are massively in favour of extraterrestrial life, no doubt about that. 

But like I said, if they are advanced enough to visit us then they sure as hell would be advanced enough to visit under the radar. 

Unless of course they want to be noticed which then asks the question why have they been so discreet about it?

If you were studying an isolated ecosystem you would operate with minimal interference, at least at first, to gain a base line. Then to test your theories and understanding you may well decide to make calculated interference's to see if the effects are in line with your theories. There may also be the case of them wanting to make observations that have a level of 'risk of exposure' they consider acceptable.

Seems very reasonable to me, but we're a bit too far down the rabbit hole at that point.

[Greyman 25,276]

23 minutes ago, Greb147 said:

Quite simple really, it's just a smokescreen. 

You're the first to mock folk for being a sheeple, well you're starting to sound like the king of the flock mate.

I,m curious mate, it’s how we learn and evolve, I,ve not nailed my colours to any mast just highlighted a new department being set up as we speak so it’s both current and interesting, only a complete idiot just dismisses everything they don’t understand, the more evolved among us look for answers and reasons

[Greb147 6,808]

8 minutes ago, Born Hunter said:

I really don't think it's just a smoke screen. They have sufficient data/evidence to suggest there is 'something' with capabilities that are potentially threatening to a carrier strike group in play and they want to know what it is. There's a long history of this sort of stuff but it's only in recent years that military technology has really made leaps in the quality and implementation of sensors. Historically it's been easy to dismiss evidence when it was solely from the eyes of a pilot, but now there's a multitude of sensors gathering data that is a bit harder to dismiss.

In fact, I'd go as far as to say if the events reported have a boring terrestrial origin then the DoD would be even more concerned than if it was of extra terrestrial origin!

How old is that video? 

From what I've read it was likely the NASA X-43A scramjet which by coincidence set a record flight in that area.

The third test of this craft reached speeds of 7000mph.

 

[Born Hunter 17,639]

24 minutes ago, Greb147 said:

How old is that video? 

From what I've read it was likely the NASA X-43A scramjet which by coincidence set a record flight in that area.

The third test of this craft reached speeds of 7000mph.

 

Nah mate, scram jets, boost glide vehicles etc don't have the capabilities that were logged, especially at low altitudes. 7000mph is like what Mach20? That's ballistic missile re-entry velocities. And we're to believe that NASA were putting a Carrier at risk by testing this in their area? It's more likely false data caused by some sort of electronic warfare than real kinetic performance imo. To be real it would be so far advanced it'd be game changing and frankly too far to be likely. 

But I'm still not convinced. 

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[Greb147 6,808]

3 minutes ago, Born Hunter said:

Nah mate, scram jets, boost glide vehicles etc don't have the capabilities that were logged, especially at low altitudes. 7000mph is like what Mach20? That's ballistic missile re-entry velocities. And we're to believe that NASA were putting a Carrier at risk by testing this in their area? It's more likely false data caused by some sort of electronic warfare than real kinetic performance imo. To be real it would be so far advanced it'd be game changing and frankly too far to be likely. 

But I'm still not convinced. 

NASA flew a third version of the X-43A on November 16, 2004. The modified Pegasus rocket was launched from a B-52 mother ship at an altitude of 13,000 m (43,000 ft). The X-43A set a new speed record of Mach 9.64 (10,240.84 km/h; 6,363.36 mph)^{[note 1]} at about 33,500 m (110,000 ft) altitude,^[10] and further tested the ability of the vehicle to withstand the heat loads involved.^[11]

[Born Hunter 17,639]

Just now, Greb147 said:

NASA flew a third version of the X-43A on November 16, 2004. The modified Pegasus rocket was launched from a B-52 mother ship at an altitude of 13,000 m (43,000 ft). The X-43A set a new speed record of Mach 9.64 (10,240.84 km/h; 6,363.36 mph)^{[note 1]} at about 33,500 m (110,000 ft) altitude,^[10] and further tested the ability of the vehicle to withstand the heat loads involved.^[11]

110'000ft. These are fairly basic incremental tests to further development of hypersonics. The events we're talking about report an object transitioning from 20'000ft to 80'000ft through a range of velocities and manoeuvring. To a degree that exceeds any known aircraft/missile/technology. And before anyone says it, the secret squirrel government stuff just isn't that far in front these days. So much of tomorrows tech comes straight out of the private sector.

It's definitely a possible explanation but there's too many leaps of faith for me. 

[Greb147 6,808]

1 minute ago, Born Hunter said:

110'000ft. These are fairly basic incremental tests to further development of hypersonics. The events we're talking about report an object transitioning from 20'000ft to 80'000ft through a range of velocities and manoeuvring. To a degree that exceeds any known aircraft/missile/technology. And before anyone says it, the secret squirrel government stuff just isn't that far in front these days. So much of tomorrows tech comes straight out of the private sector.

It's definitely a possible explanation but there's too many leaps of faith for me. 

Which video are you talking about mate, the quick YouTube clip has 3 videos on from different dates? 

Where is the info about altitude and velocity, etc? 

Couldn't an explanation for such extreme manoeuvres be that one of the three crafts malfunctioned in flight before being destroyed? 

The other two flew successfully for 10 seconds followed by a guide of 10 minutes to an intentional crash in the ocean. 

[Born Hunter 17,639]

6 minutes ago, Greb147 said:

Which video are you talking about mate, the quick YouTube clip has 3 videos on from different dates? 

Where is the info about altitude and velocity, etc? 

Couldn't an explanation for such extreme manoeuvres be that one of the three crafts malfunctioned in flight before being destroyed? 

The other two flew successfully for 10 seconds followed by a guide of 10 minutes to an intentional crash in the ocean. 

I'm not talking about a video mate. I'm talking about the radar data from the Guided Missile Cruiser that was attached to the strike group. It's the main escort responsible for area air defence in a US Navy strike group. The FA-18 FLIR and optical videos just essentially confirm that what the radars were seeing was real.

I don't think the alleged manoeuvres of the craft were in keeping with a malfunctioning hypersonic vehicle. In fact one of the concerns with intercepting hypersonic missiles is that they are travelling so fast that when they are neutralised (either electronically or with a kinetic weapon) they have such velocity that they are still a serious threat to what's in front of them. ie they carry on in a ballistic trajectory, they don't manoeuvre like what was reported.

[Born Hunter 17,639]

Like said, the leading terrestrial explanation for me would be that the radars were being spoofed by advanced electronic warfare systems and the 'tic-tac' craft that was intercepted by the FA-18s was in fact some sort of higher performance drone. But then why doesn't it have the thermal and flight characteristics of a jet engined aircraft?

[Greb147 6,808]

54 minutes ago, Born Hunter said:

I'm not talking about a video mate. I'm talking about the radar data from the Guided Missile Cruiser that was attached to the strike group. It's the main escort responsible for area air defence in a US Navy strike group. The FA-18 FLIR and optical videos just essentially confirm that what the radars were seeing was real.

I don't think the alleged manoeuvres of the craft were in keeping with a malfunctioning hypersonic vehicle. In fact one of the concerns with intercepting hypersonic missiles is that they are travelling so fast that when they are neutralised (either electronically or with a kinetic weapon) they have such velocity that they are still a serious threat to what's in front of them. ie they carry on in a ballistic trajectory, they don't manoeuvre like what was reported.

I haven't seen any of this mate, do you have a link or a source?