The plummer terrier

[low plains drifter 6,598]

1 hour ago, W. Katchum said:

Out checking me mole traps earlier an little bitch had a ratch about while I was busy, I like a dog that keeps itself busy

The Yorkshire Macnab 

[fireman 9,607]

11 hours ago, foxdropper said:

Isn’t there a few breakaway clubs that dispute all the above though Steve .

There's a few break away groups doing there own thing but not heard any of them disputing how the plummer started as such,but that was years ago and iv'e heard of all sorts popping up in DNA tests lately so does it matter any more.Some lads are trying to do some out crosses but what sort of programe they have going i don't know,but good luck to them and if they do it right they should produce something worth taking out..

[fireman 9,607]

7 hours ago, Aussie Whip said:

I can understand adding the beagle in to make the terriers more pack friendly but then adding dog aggressive bull blood? The more I hear about Plummer the more I understand why he isn't everyone's cuppa but I suppose people are still talking about him so he got his wish, lol. They do look like good ratting dogs on the vids I've seen. I doubt there are any over here.

The thing about a proper bull is it's pure and you can sort of know what your going to get by adding it bone and body wise and it being pure as such you can breed it back out,ok you will get throw backs etc but you know what traits the offspring will keep as a bull x has been done a few times with a few things and the bone stays as we all know and that's why the bull was added to give head and jaw size and strength to it.There was some over there and i think in NZ as well but if they carried anything on with them i have no idea..

[foxdropper 13,056]

Your last post baffles  me Steve . How many gens do you think it would take to breed out something put in and what would you put over what to do so .I’ve added bull via a 3/4 pat so 1/4 bull .The lad breeding the first half cross has never used another but there is no mistaking the dogs he breeds .I’m a firm believer that once the physical attributes are gone ,bred out so is any other attribute but might be wrong .

[lurchers 2,442]

4 hours ago, W. Katchum said:

I know that feeling

Just like darcys books makes ya laugh

[dytkos 15,305]

9 hours ago, sid g said:

must be a lot about market was flooded with em i think i had everyone of em at some stage apart from blucks i`ve owned every terrierbook ever written i`ve got one terrier book here now that i keep for sentimental reasons . 

I've got a big bookcase full, hoping to sell them in my dotage ...........

Cheers, D.

[dytkos 15,305]

Just now, sid g said:

about that time then get em gone .... 

You heard about that guy fishing?

Cheers, D.

[tinytiger 713]

33 minutes ago, foxdropper said:

Your last post baffles  me Steve . How many gens do you think it would take to breed out something put in and what would you put over what to do so .I’ve added bull via a 3/4 pat so 1/4 bull .The lad breeding the first half cross has never used another but there is no mistaking the dogs he breeds .I’m a firm believer that once the physical attributes are gone ,bred out so is any other attribute but might be wrong .

I'd say 2 or 3. I'd a granddaughter of the last bull cross Plummer did in late 90s. To look at her you'd think there was no bull in her - her dam (3/4 plummer, 1/4 bull) looked an obvious bull cross. 

[foxdropper 13,056]

4 minutes ago, tinytiger said:

I'd say 2 or 3. I'd a granddaughter of the last bull cross Plummer did in late 90s. To look at her you'd think there was no bull in her - her dam (3/4 plummer, 1/4 bull) looked an obvious bull cross. 

Are you meaning putting back full line breeds over bull out crosses TT or full bull bloods .

[dytkos 15,305]

Touche

Cheers, D.

 

[eastcoast 2,598]

1 hour ago, sid g said:

 

only got this left reason being my daughter won 20 quid for a child handling champs when she was 10  at one of the shows and she went and bought this with it to say thank you for taking her to the shows i think that year i got dragged round 50 shows  

that book kind of sums up the future of the Plummer terrier type. Written to justify the reason for KC recognition for a type that had got along very nicely as a working terrier up until then. A lot longer than the Plummer type. They got them registered, closed the gene pool, made shit loads of money. 

[tinytiger 713]

1 minute ago, foxdropper said:

Are you meaning putting back full line breeds over bull out crosses TT or full bull bloods .

Bitch I had was 1/8 bull - just the one cross of bull in her. (Apart from the legendary/ fictitious one back in 60s or 70s).I think Legion kennels bred away from it too quickly. That bitch I had was born on Christmas day 2003 -already a granddaughter of a dog born in 99 - flying through the generations rather than testing each one and breeding best to best.

[fireman 9,607]

59 minutes ago, foxdropper said:

Your last post baffles  me Steve . How many gens do you think it would take to breed out something put in and what would you put over what to do so .I’ve added bull via a 3/4 pat so 1/4 bull .The lad breeding the first half cross has never used another but there is no mistaking the dogs he breeds .I’m a firm believer that once the physical attributes are gone ,bred out so is any other attribute but might be wrong .

I have no idea how many anythings with bulls as they ain't my thing and i have no intention of ever adding it to anything so i don't care,all i did was say what the folk who added said why they added it...

[fireman 9,607]

9 minutes ago, tinytiger said:

Bitch I had was 1/8 bull - just the one cross of bull in her. (Apart from the legendary/ fictitious one back in 60s or 70s).I think Legion kennels bred away from it too quickly. That bitch I had was born on Christmas day 2003 -already a granddaughter of a dog born in 99 - flying through the generations rather than testing each one and breeding best to best.

Legion/plummer bred from a pet bull and it wasn't the first choice bull he used,the first choice dog was a real deal and plummer was told to do one when he asked to use it..

[foxdropper 13,056]

2 minutes ago, tinytiger said:

Bitch I had was 1/8 bull - just the one cross of bull in her. (Apart from the legendary/ fictitious one back in 60s or 70s).I think Legion kennels bred away from it too quickly. That bitch I had was born on Christmas day 2003 -already a granddaughter of a dog born in 99 - flying through the generations rather than testing each one and breeding best to best.

In my experience .Introducing a fresh bloodline ie bull x to a terrier strain and by that I mean a bull x terrier 1/8,1/4,1/2,3/4 is based on how long the line of terrier has been about to absorb the introduction .

All lines arnt equal .The older the line the easier it is to breed out unwanted additions like size .New creations will need time to breed out selected traits .