ChrisJones 7,973 Posted July 3, 2018 Report Share Posted July 3, 2018 Just now, MickC said: Why the need to be smart Chris because you cant answer the question dogmandont put to you ? When you spend money on yourself doing courses/college etc you are only investing money in yourself that you will get back umpteen times over once you are fully qualified. Ive used Vets for over 40 years with working Lurchers some good some bad and some who have spoke to me like a piece of sh*t because I worked dogs. Why do they charge so much if its not about money ? The original point you made was that vets get into the game primarily because of the money. I contested that and I still do because I haven't heard a decent counter argument either. The reason they charge what they do is to recoup the costs that come with running a business and paying all the fees that go along with it. My vet's drug bill for his practice is over ten grand a month because prescription drugs from suppliers are f*ck*ng expensive because they pass the cost of their R&D onto the consumer. Then you've got the cost of rent/mortgage on the building. Utilities. Taxes. Wages. Staff. VAT in Britain. Anaesthetists. Radiologists. Outsourced specialist technicians. Specialist equipment from specialist suppliers. Even the day to day sh*t like bandages and gauzes come from specialist suppliers. That costs a lot of money and when you don't have a government subsidy like the NHS the full cost of that is passed on to the customer. That's before you pay back your student loans. I'm not saying I agree with it but that's where it is. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MickC 1,825 Posted July 3, 2018 Report Share Posted July 3, 2018 (edited) An interesting link https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/money/2016/apr/09/vet-bills-prices-sick-as-dog Vet pricing is largely unregulated, how convenient ! Edited July 3, 2018 by MickC Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dogmandont 9,362 Posted July 3, 2018 Report Share Posted July 3, 2018 21 minutes ago, ChrisJones said: I've never met a vet or a doctor that got into their profession for the sole purpose of making money but if you paid the equivalent of a house in student loans to become one would you work for peanuts? I'm not trying to excuse rip off pricing but c'mon there's plenty of ripping off done in every industry. I've met an English vet that charged extra because he disagreed with working dogs. I know a yank vet that discounts for the same reason. If your dog needed a c section would you take it to MickC? He spent four years at college to become a joiner. I've got a GCSE in English I'll do it for a fiver. I have a very good vet that charges really reasonably Chris, he is also a man with ethics as he will point blank refuse to put to sleep any healthy fit animal, but the fancy surgery around the corner with 5 full time vets would put healthy animals down all day and not bat an eyelid as long as their making money. Most probably get into it for the right reason but it seems that soon changes when the greed kicks in. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJones 7,973 Posted July 3, 2018 Report Share Posted July 3, 2018 Just now, dogmandont said: I have a very good vet that charges really reasonably Chris, he is also a man with ethics as he will point blank refuse to put to sleep any healthy fit animal, but the fancy surgery around the corner with 5 full time vets would put healthy animals down all day and not bat an eyelid as long as their making money. Most probably get into it for the right reason but it seems that soon changes when the greed kicks in. I'm the same and he's the one I mentioned earlier that spends an absolute ton of his own time patching up the rescue dogs down at the shelter. I've had free treatment and subsidized treatment because I've taken on animals that no one else would and I wouldn't be surprised if the lady with the Bentley and chihuahua in her handbag doesn't help subsidize that either. Like you I believe the majority get into it for the right reason but I don't believe they all necessarily stay in it for that but if you look at the actual costs of running a practice you'll see where a good chunk of your money goes. That's not to say that fancy surgery/doggy spa isn't out to pick your pocket but that's business all over. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
peterhunter86 8,627 Posted July 4, 2018 Report Share Posted July 4, 2018 2 hours ago, John d said: It’s not mate, been told by a vet they do it to try and stop breeders breeding dogs that need a c section. You'd swallow a fridge sideways that's about getting as much money as they can from greedy cnuts like themselves, is the vet's council or whatever their called doing anything to get c sections banned so people can't breed them sort of dog's, and I've heard of vet's keeping dog's alive for as long as they can before they pts when it should of been done at the start, and there's plenty of vet's that will turn you away with a badly injured animal if you haven't cash in your pocket,I know their not all like that I've dealt with a few that put the dog first and weren't to hard with the bill. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Daniel cain 42,890 Posted July 4, 2018 Report Share Posted July 4, 2018 12 hours ago, John d said: To put breeders off Bullshit they will happily give a frenchie a c section at 12 months old.....and every 12 months after.... Give me shit for lining my 8 Yr old terrier and lurcher bitch....... Spayed the lurcher after a c section without my consent..... Charged me £1400,told the wife £600 on the phone....... Then had the f***ing cheek to ask for a pup off me for free because I told them I'd be giving them away...... I told them go get f****d and pay them £25 a month for the c section..... c**ts can wait years for the money.... Dirty pricks the lot off em 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bird 9,594 Posted July 4, 2018 Report Share Posted July 4, 2018 On 02/07/2018 at 19:43, Kerny92 said: Now i know we all like to pretend we are whiter than white on here and are the textbook dog men but i say bullshit! We all have are faults but not will admit it and even more worrying some won't believe it. My fault is i get irritated easily with dogs if they are not behaving to what i believe is appropriate and can over discipline , i need to accept that they have their faults and are not machines. What are your faults, come and get them off your chest. same here lack patience big time , my wife said i should never have a dog , think she right lol, beginning to think that way, think these 2 dogs i have now will be my last lurchers more so at my age 66 next month , if ever get another dog when they gone, might just get heinz 57 from the pound , somthing that not like lurchers with there over sensitive nature , that pisses me off, seen nice dog to day lab x strong steady type temp , didnt get up set easy , not like my 2 bloody wimps .!! the bloke said it was rescue dog , plenty there that need a chance in life .!! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,639 Posted July 4, 2018 Report Share Posted July 4, 2018 Free market folks. If you don't like the price, go to another vet. If you can't find one cheaper then it's because it can't be done cheaper, there's no significant demand for the exact service you want or you ain't looking very hard. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
C.green 3,203 Posted July 4, 2018 Report Share Posted July 4, 2018 Need to find yourself a good vet or two look after them n they look after you 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Phil Lloyd 10,736 Posted July 4, 2018 Report Share Posted July 4, 2018 As a youth,... I took things personally....when dealing with dogs, this is both foolish and illogical. My Father schooled Sheepdogs and Cattle dogs, and same as a lot of men from his generation, he was a hard man with a jukel. Accordingly, I followed suit,... I was notorious for being a spiteful, quick-tempered silly cu*nt... Nowadays, I am chilled with a lurcher,... I make each new pup my best pal... We have fun, we enjoy great sport and craic,..which is possibly what it is all about. I try to keep things, calm and collected,... I never, ever,..lose my temper with a dog... The truth of the matter is, I enjoy being around my animals,...and they have full confidence in me,...and now,...we get on,..really fine ... 11 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shepp 2,285 Posted July 4, 2018 Report Share Posted July 4, 2018 2 hours ago, Born Hunter said: Free market folks. If you don't like the price, go to another vet. If you can't find one cheaper then it's because it can't be done cheaper, there's no significant demand for the exact service you want or you ain't looking very hard. I find the issue is not with the actual price of each item of treatment, it's the way many vets try to build up the bill with extra items which are not really needed. It happened to me so many times, like taking a biopsy of a lump, then telling me later that the lump is best removed even if not malignant because it may become that way later? Why not just remove it in the first place? But they have to build up the bill with other items. Then you get the ones that play on old folks emotions by dragging a few more weeks out of a sick dog at great cost to the owner. I would say a good half of them are tuck up merchants. 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,639 Posted July 4, 2018 Report Share Posted July 4, 2018 (edited) 18 minutes ago, shepp said: I find the issue is not with the actual price of each item of treatment, it's the way many vets try to build up the bill with extra items which are not really needed. It happened to me so many times, like taking a biopsy of a lump, then telling me later that the lump is best removed even if not malignant because it may become that way later? Why not just remove it in the first place? But they have to build up the bill with other items. Then you get the ones that play on old folks emotions by dragging a few more weeks out of a sick dog at great cost to the owner. I would say a good half of them are tuck up merchants. Aye you have to be a bit savvy with them often. I avoid them until I'm well out of my depth because I haven't found one I like. Last time I was at a vet was for my terrier bitch who had had a rat tear her third eyelid and it was hanging out of her eye. He took a bit of a critical view of it all, which I didn't appreciate, but sorted her out right enough. Sorted me out some antibiotics and I asked if they were drops or tabs, he said tabs and then hurried to give me drops too and amended the bill. The f**k did I need drops for if he was happy to just give me tabs before I mentioned owt? I don't begrudge them a living or wealth though. Every professional has ways of bumping bills up when they think they can get away with it. Plenty other vets about. It's my responsibility to put my money in the hands of the ones that suit me. It wouldn't be a bad idea for there to be a working dog vet register. Let's give our custom, as a community, to the veterinary businesses who are sympathetic to working dogs and fieldsports. An active register with broad participation from our community would be a strong force for market competition, even though we are a minority we're a significant share of the market. Edited July 4, 2018 by Born Hunter there, their and they're 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJones 7,973 Posted July 4, 2018 Report Share Posted July 4, 2018 1 minute ago, Born Hunter said: I don't begrudge them a living or wealth though. Every professional has ways of bumping bills up when they think they can get away with it. Plenty other vets about. It's my responsibility to put my money in the hands of the ones that suit me. It wouldn't be a bad idea for their to be a working dog vet register. Let's give our custom, as a community, to the veterinary businesses who are sympathetic to working dogs and fieldsports. An active register with broad participation from our community would be a strong force for market competition, even though we are a minority we're a significant share of the market. That's actually a belting idea, Born. I'm sure the working dog community is large enough to make that kind of register carry some clout too. We all know who to dial for legal issues but not who to dial for medical issues. Even if you couldn't get an actual register a list of working friendly vets on THL would be thread-worthy. Use the internet for good for a change. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Daniel cain 42,890 Posted July 4, 2018 Report Share Posted July 4, 2018 5 hours ago, John d said: Has it put you off breeding? No if I need a pup and I have the right dogs here, then I would breed another litter for myselfjust be careful with bitches over 8 Yr old as I've had f**k all but problems with them needing the vets and having my pants pulled down. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
blackmaggie 3,375 Posted July 4, 2018 Report Share Posted July 4, 2018 9 hours ago, Phil Lloyd said: As a youth,... I took things personally....when dealing with dogs, this is both foolish and illogical. My Father schooled Sheepdogs and Cattle dogs, and same as a lot of men from his generation, he was a hard man with a jukel. Accordingly, I followed suit,... I was notorious for being a spiteful, quick-tempered silly cu*nt... Nowadays, I am chilled with a lurcher,... I make each new pup my best pal... We have fun, we enjoy great sport and craic,..which is possibly what it is all about. I try to keep things, calm and collected,... I never, ever,..lose my temper with a dog... The truth of the matter is, I enjoy being around my animals,...and they have full confidence in me,...and now,...we get on,..really fine ... A very good post Phil the day you stop chasing that holy grail as every youngster and some still do especially chopping and changing etc and start taking things as what they are and will be is when you a lot are more content and happier and the dogs benefit to without that pressure 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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