Controversial !

[tinytiger 822]

Exactly-ive a blue dog here -from a red and white male x a choclate female(cousins of each other)-no blues in 12 plus generations(that i know of at least)

[THE STIFFMEISTER 14,576]

Blue Paul's were a mongrelised breed,

 

nothing hormoniginsed or alike ,

 

they were popular along the Galloway coast and Ayrshire at the turn of the 19th century and were in all likelihood an amalgamation of the native Scottish terriers in existence mongrelised with the influx of wheatens and Kerry blue types brought over from Ireland with the immigrants

 

They weren't a fighting breed or a game dog, just a typical farm cur terrier for ratting foxingvsndca bit of scrapping maybe in the side

 

As for the name, we'll like in the world of pattedales , names stick, like nuttall , Gould and Stevens to particular lines showing carried traits , hence the breeders nickname being affixed to the type

 

Blue Paul was an actual person

 

As for the dogs themselves, imagine a less thickset wheaten type with rough, smooths and wires , colours varying from champagne through to grizzle

 

They weren't blue

 

If i could be bothered , I'd pester my mam to go upstairs at hers and text me some of the pics of my grandads old dogs, but I can't

 

So I won't

 

In finality, blue Paul's aren't an archaic mysterious fighting breed, just a roustabout farm cur conglomerated from mixing terriers and probably sheep dogs

 

Nothing to get excited about

[p3d 879]

Blue Paul's were a mongrelised breed,

 

nothing hormoniginsed or alike ,

 

they were popular along the Galloway coast and Ayrshire at the turn of the 19th century and were in all likelihood an amalgamation of the native Scottish terriers in existence mongrelised with the influx of wheatens and Kerry blue types brought over from Ireland with the immigrants

 

They weren't a fighting breed or a game dog, just a typical farm cur terrier for ratting foxingvsndca bit of scrapping maybe in the side

 

As for the name, we'll like in the world of pattedales , names stick, like nuttall , Gould and Stevens to particular lines showing carried traits , hence the breeders nickname being affixed to the type

 

Blue Paul was an actual person

 

As for the dogs themselves, imagine a less thickset wheaten type with rough, smooths and wires , colours varying from champagne through to grizzle

 

They weren't blue

 

If i could be bothered , I'd pester my mam to go upstairs at hers and text me some of the pics of my grandads old dogs, but I can't

 

So I won't

 

In finality, blue Paul's aren't an archaic mysterious fighting breed, just a roustabout farm cur conglomerated from mixing terriers and probably sheep dogs

 

Nothing to get excited about

 

Good post, If you do get the chance would you put up those photos' of your grandads old dogs.

Just interested in the type. I never heard of that type before. You learn something new every day :-)

 

 

It would make you wonder why Mr. Breay would say that he brought bitches up to Northumberland to breed off them.

[THE STIFFMEISTER 14,576]

Believe me it's nothing special, just some old dogs in the background at family photos etc

 

But next time I'm at home I'll dig them out

[THE STIFFMEISTER 14,576]

My own theory is that the dogs followed the people, as the Irish diaspora settled in Galloway ayrshire and Dumfriesshire and possibly cumbrias west coast they brought the old Irish type wheaten glen and Kerry terriers

 

It's well known they faced prejudice in south west Scotland so they tinkered along and settled wherever along the border ,

 

Look at the breeds along the way , the blue Paul, the dandie dinmont the border and the bedlington

 

All mongrolised types suited to be cutting around in or under a pony and trap , I believe they all share the same nomadic origin from the camp dogs bred and picked up along the way ,

 

If you google blue Paul , you get photos of a prick eared bull type

 

Nonsense

 

The lifestyle for such a dog to exist just simply wasn't in situ in the environs of that period of time in that locale

[tinytiger 822]

What about red smuts then or other scottish bull types.There was bull baiting/fighting dogs in tyrone in 1700s-i presume they must have come over with planters from scotland a few genetations earlier.

[onion jonny 526]

my understanding was the blue paul was a guarding herding type of dog with a terrible attitude with dogs or humans and were from the kirkintilloch area and died out long long ago at a guess before anyone on here's parents were born.

Edited April 24, 2017 by onion jonny

[THE STIFFMEISTER 14,576]

The dogs my grandad has were referred to as Paul's

 

They were nothing like what you see on a Google search

 

And we're ten a penny on any farm along the coast

[Lenmcharristar 9,184]

was there not blue paul fighting across the pond up til the early 1900s? id just have though a blue staff type pit dog

[neil cooney 10,415]

That's what the history books tell us Len but the dog that Stiff is describing is more like the wheaten type and the early history of the wheaten is that of a farm cur too.

BUT, there's stories of Blue Pauls being fought in organised fights and that the Staff and the Blue Paul did meet many times.

 

But The Stiffmeisters posts are very interesting. I'd love to see those photos too.

And as has been said it would be strange for a breeder like Mr Breay to use a rough farm cur over his terriers. Unless of course that rough farm cur was very much like a wheaten. But Mr Breays terriers ,IMO anyways, never looked like wheaten or similar crosses.

[tinytiger 822]

That's what the history books tell us Len but the dog that Stiff is describing is more like the wheaten type and the early history of the wheaten is that of a farm cur too.

BUT, there's stories of Blue Pauls being fought in organised fights and that the Staff and the Blue Paul did meet many times.

 

But The Stiffmeisters posts are very interesting. I'd love to see those photos too.

And as has been said it would be strange for a breeder like Mr Breay to use a rough farm cur over his terriers. Unless of course that rough farm cur was very much like a wheaten. But Mr Breays terriers ,IMO anyways, never looked like wheaten or similar crosses.

crosses can come out funny too though(as im sure you know yourself)-saw a glen x beagle(accident)-very like an irish terrier.

[Lenmcharristar 9,184]

That's what the history books tell us Len but the dog that Stiff is describing is more like the wheaten type and the early history of the wheaten is that of a farm cur too.

BUT, there's stories of Blue Pauls being fought in organised fights and that the Staff and the Blue Paul did meet many times.

 

But The Stiffmeisters posts are very interesting. I'd love to see those photos too.

And as has been said it would be strange for a breeder like Mr Breay to use a rough farm cur over his terriers. Unless of course that rough farm cur was very much like a wheaten. But Mr Breays terriers ,IMO anyways, never looked like wheaten or similar crosses.

if it was any good it must have just been absorbed into the other types of pit dogs

[redquil 219]

My own theory is that the dogs followed the people, as the Irish diaspora settled in Galloway ayrshire and Dumfriesshire and possibly cumbrias west coast they brought the old Irish type wheaten glen and Kerry terriers

 

It's well known they faced prejudice in south west Scotland so they tinkered along and settled wherever along the border ,

 

Look at the breeds along the way , the blue Paul, the dandie dinmont the border and the bedlington

 

All mongrolised types suited to be cutting around in or under a pony and trap , I believe they all share the same nomadic origin from the camp dogs bred and picked up along the way ,

 

If you google blue Paul , you get photos of a prick eared bull type

 

Nonsense

 

The lifestyle for such a dog to exist just simply wasn't in situ in the environs of that period of time in that locale

Find this dead interesting . Is what you are saying all info from your family Stiff or from books etc.? Get the pics up and anymore info.

[Carlovian 583]

Some old adverts in magazines from 1900s ,,that mention Blue polls,

[Daniel cain 42,939]

Interesting read that-cheers.atb dc