Trump Under Fire

[mC HULL 18,607]

9 minutes ago, WILF said:

Now, not because it’s you but because it’s something I see all the time (and in many ways I agree with)…..what, if it’s the wests fault, do you as a western man feel you need to do or not do about it ? 

Edited to add:

I will tell you my answer so you know it’s not a trick question, my answer is “anything we feel like doing, we shouldn’t care less about it” 

If it benefitted us then, good !….if it don’t benefit us now, do them in and change it.

Im all for getting a trump in a man in power who takes shit if you step out a line bombs you and the people see the benefits 

But we've got mincers who let in who there killing ? And wonder when they attack us back 

Who is it making the uk so pathetic and weak ?

[Born Hunter 18,173]

56 minutes ago, WILF said:

 As I said previously, we are f***ing about half cocked all the time…..the Gulf was no different 

Okay so you think that violence is exclusively the recipe for success, that’s it. However as I said the gulf was a success but according to your opinion we weren’t violent enough. Equally vietnam could hardly have been more violent (nukes weren’t an option for obvious reasons) and that was broadly a total failure. Violence without strategy is not a good recipe. History shows us that.

The Germans showed equal levels of violence to anything we could muster and yet lost. Why?

[mC HULL 18,607]

1 minute ago, chartpolski said:

Where to start ?

The Persians invading Greece?

Or more recent;

Japan invading Manchuria,(China) and Korea, not to mention Pearl Harbour, ( I think Trump may have mentioned it).

Or China invading Tibet.

Or Viet Nam invading Cambodia

My point was it’s not just “the West” that invaded other countries, it’s just that since the Middle Ages “the west” has advanced so much more than the rest of the world, we saw an opportunity to gain empires and riches and took it with both hands. 
Threres an ebb and flow, it wasn’t so long ago we were bullying. China…..not so much now

So, to blame “the west” for all the world’s ills is just wrong.

I could give a long list of what “the west “ has given to world advancement, but it would take to long

Cheers.

Would you say the carving up of the ottoman empire was done so it caused problems ? Lol

[THE STIFFMEISTER 18,239]

4 minutes ago, mC HULL said:

Im all for getting a trump in a man in power who takes shit if you step out a line bombs you and the people see the benefits 

But we've got mincers who let in who there killing ? And wonder when they attack us back 

Who is it making the uk so pathetic and weak ?

You have just spent all week saying he’s a fanny and Iran have beaten him lol 

your an absolute cartoon character 

[mC HULL 18,607]

2 minutes ago, THE STIFFMEISTER said:

You have just spent all week saying he’s a fanny and Iran have beaten him lol 

your an absolute cartoon character 

They have he should a said f**k all about regime change taking the straight putting troops gunna do this gunna do that and just bombed the shit out of them he couldnt lose that way 

Now he's made his self look a cartoon character 

[WILF 53,359]

11 minutes ago, Born Hunter said:

Okay so you think that violence is exclusively the recipe for success, that’s it. However as I said the gulf was a success but according to your opinion we weren’t violent enough. Equally vietnam could hardly have been more violent (nukes weren’t an option for obvious reasons) and that was broadly a total failure. Violence without strategy is not a good recipe. History shows us that.

I think having the will to do unmitigated and total violence and destruction and people knowing you absolutely will leads to the very politest of conversations and good outcomes.

I think knowing when you just can’t talk to people saves a lot of time and suffering.

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The Germans showed equal levels of violence to anything we could muster and yet lost. Why?

Because they over extended, they had no choice but it’s still the reason.

The basic flaw in the Nazi ideology was having to print money and they knew that would require resources by way of land they just didn’t have, ultimately the need for that land over extended them when they had to take on Russia…..everyone breaks on the rock that is Russia because it has an almost unequaled power to absorb.
Sound familiar ?

Edited 8 hours ago by WILF

[chartpolski 30,243]

2 minutes ago, mC HULL said:

Would you say the carving up of the ottoman empire was done so it caused problems ? Lol

No, it was the spoils of war. Turkey was defeated, it couldn’t be allowed to keep an Empire that might make it powerful again, just like the Hapsburg Empire and the Holy Roman Empire.

Why would Britain and France deliberately want to cause problems for themselves. 
War in the Middle East isn’t something new, the Arab tribes were fighting each other for millennia before the Ottoman Empire or when Britain and France took over.

Why do you allways end a question with “LOL “ ? I’ll try to answer your questions as best I can , but I get the impression you are allways trying to trip people uo ?

Cheers.

[mC HULL 18,607]

3 minutes ago, chartpolski said:

No, it was the spoils of war. Turkey was defeated, it couldn’t be allowed to keep an Empire that might make it powerful again, just like the Hapsburg Empire and the Holy Roman Empire.

Why would Britain and France deliberately want to cause problems for themselves. 
War in the Middle East isn’t something new, the Arab tribes were fighting each other for millennia before the Ottoman Empire or when Britain and France took over.

Why do you allways end a question with “LOL “ ? I’ll try to answer your questions as best I can , but I get the impression you are allways trying to trip people uo ?

Cheers.

There's been issues from it though mate from eastern Europe to the kurds fought promised allsorts been issues since with them  the Jews Palestinians etc Iraq better letting them have the problems ?

Some are easy to trip up you not so much 

[chartpolski 30,243]

4 minutes ago, mC HULL said:

There's been issues from it though mate from eastern Europe to the kurds fought promised allsorts been issues since with them  the Jews Palestinians etc Iraq better letting them have the problems ?

Some are easy to trip up you not so much 

Mate, I’m talking honestly and genuinely now. 
You know nothing of the countries, the people, the politics or the history of the Middle East other than snippets you’ve heard.

Theres a book , The Seven Pillars Of Wisdom, by T.E. Lawrence, ( Lawrence of Arabia). 
He tell of the duplicity , the dishonesty , the broken promises of Britain, France and the Arab Kings, Princes and Potentates of the Middle East in the Sykes-Piqot carve up of the Middle East.

I recommend you read it as, at least, a start , in understanding the complexities of the Middle East  

Cheers.

[Born Hunter 18,173]

11 minutes ago, WILF said:

Because they over extended, they had no choice but it’s still the reason.

The basic flaw in the Nazi ideology was having to print money and they knew that would require resources by way of land they just didn’t have, ultimately the need for that land over extended them when they had to take on Russia…..everyone breaks on the rock that is Russia because it has an almost unequaled power to absorb.
Sound familiar ?

Exactly, it was a poor strategy! Exactly why I think this Iran war will ultimately fail to achieve the desired outcome/s. Assuming the desired outcome is one that is in the US’ national interest and not Israel’s, Russias, Chinas, France’s.

I know we will not agree on this. I don’t know why I keep it up. 

 

[THE STIFFMEISTER 18,239]

8 minutes ago, chartpolski said:

Mate, I’m talking honestly and genuinely now. 
You know nothing of the countries, the people, the politics or the history of the Middle East other than snippets you’ve heard.

Theres a book , The Seven Pillars Of Wisdom, by T.E. Lawrence, ( Lawrence of Arabia). 
He tell of the duplicity , the dishonesty , the broken promises of Britain, France and the Arab Kings, Princes and Potentates of the Middle East in the Sykes-Piqot carve up of the Middle East.

I recommend you read it as, at least, a start , in understanding the complexities of the Middle East  

Cheers.

He can’t read 

hopefully it’s on tik tok 

[WILF 53,359]

1 minute ago, Born Hunter said:

Exactly, it was a poor strategy! Exactly why I think this Iran war will ultimately fail to achieve the desired outcome/s. Assuming the desired outcome is one that is in the US’ national interest and not Israel’s, Russias, Chinas, France’s.

I know we will not agree on this. I don’t know why I keep it up. 

 

But it did work for Great Britain, there’s a reason they used to send the navy with a diplomat to negotiations.

It worked for Rome

It worked for Ghengis Khan

It worked for the Soviet Union 

It worked for European settlers in America

Everything is a strategy, even doing violence is a strategy mate.

 

 

[mC HULL 18,607]

8 minutes ago, chartpolski said:

Mate, I’m talking honestly and genuinely now. 
You know nothing of the countries, the people, the politics or the history of the Middle East other than snippets you’ve heard.

Theres a book , The Seven Pillars Of Wisdom, by T.E. Lawrence, ( Lawrence of Arabia). 
He tell of the duplicity , the dishonesty , the broken promises of Britain, France and the Arab Kings, Princes and Potentates of the Middle East in the Sykes-Piqot carve up of the Middle East.

I recommend you read it as, at least, a start , in understanding the complexities of the Middle East  

Cheers.

Ive watched read all sorts on it mate 

Ive seen the film all i can remember was the make up was bad  

Ill have a look at the book 

[mC HULL 18,607]

2 minutes ago, THE STIFFMEISTER said:

He can’t read 

hopefully it’s on tik tok 

I could read and write before I went to school mate  id rather read a book then watch the box mate but dont have much time for.either I get more comedy off a here lol

[THE STIFFMEISTER 18,239]

1 minute ago, mC HULL said:

I could read and write before I went to school mate  id rather read a book then watch the box mate but dont have much time for.either I get more comedy off a here lol

Whatever , your a fifth columnist