Born Hunter 17,646 Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 (edited) First aiders are amateur volunteers there as a stop gap till the professionals arrive, if you were lay dieing in a pool of blood you wouldnt tell tell the first aider to f**k off as you only want help of a qualified surgeon same as youd be happy to see armed civillians if you were in that theatre on friday. Not to mention, case studies of the effects of CCW law introduction in the US have showed that such legislation results in no increase in accidental deaths. Armed citizens that want the responsibility that CCW carries aren't the headless chickens that some seem to think. And that's precisely what it is, it's a social responsibility. Edited November 16, 2015 by Born Hunter 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogFox123 1,379 Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 At around the 16 minute mark are some proposals on the immigration crisis, the entire video is interesting nevertheless. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jacknife 2,005 Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 It doesn't matter if there terrorists of refugees I don't want them here Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lenmcharristar 9,193 Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 Been a few days now so the sympathisers will be crawling out from under their rocks to start to quieten everybody down and tell them not to overreact as it simply didn't happen and it was just mass hallucination Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 29,754 Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 First aiders are amateur volunteers there as a stop gap till the professionals arrive, if you were lay dieing in a pool of blood you wouldnt tell tell the first aider to f**k off as you only want help of a qualified surgeon same as youd be happy to see armed civillians if you were in that theatre on friday. The " something is better than nothing " theory applies to many things in life..........thousands of everyday Joe's across Britain trained to fire a gun walking the streets 24/7 waiting for that one special moment is not something that theory applies to in my opinion. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 44,478 Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 As I am sure Socks will tell you, as good as the British Army is (and I happen to think it's the best in the world) there are still some complete no hopers in its ranks who shouldn't be allowed a water pistol ! Lol Like Most jobs, simply being a member of something is no guarantee of competence. I know former armed anti terrorist officers who absolutely used to Cain the booze and coke. Professional training and continued assessment of vetted people of good character would be absolutely fine. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
neems 2,406 Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 In the light of the Paris shootings I think the law needs to change to allow let's say 20% of the general,population of that country carry a concealed weapon ... The people vetted and licensed should be ex firearm police officers and ex servicemen that have done a minimum time in the forces of ten years and were qualified weapon instructors ... If only one person had a weapon in that rock concert the fatalities would have been much lower ......Sounds perfectly sensible to allow people with a long and proven track record to carry a concealed weapon......its the day course Andy Mcnab wannabee,s im not so sure of. It doesn't have to be a day course It could be far more stringent than military weapon handling tests,there will be people who post on here much more competent than a lot of soldiers. I would like to know who the people on here are that are much more competent than soldiers ....... I mean in terms of safety and marksmanship,not battle procedure. I have a couple of friends who've never been in the military who are better shots than me and at least as safe. You only need to look at some new South African recruits who've been shooting since they were 5 and actually understand how a rifle works,compare them to some of the less competent trained soldiers. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 29,754 Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 Call me old fashioned but if my house is burning down i want to see the fire brigade.....if my car breaks down i want to see a mechanic.......toothache = dentist etc While i accept in an emergency anyone who has the correct tool kit is a result........in general trained proven experts in their field on average do the job most efficiently and you like to think that in a developed world like we currently live in you can get the right man for the job......its simple common sense to me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogFox123 1,379 Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 (edited) Call me old fashioned but if my house is burning down i want to see the fire brigade.....if my car breaks down i want to see a mechanic.......toothache = dentist etc While i accept in an emergency anyone who has the correct tool kit is a result........in general trained proven experts in their field on average do the job most efficiently and you like to think that in a developed world like we currently live in you can get the right man for the job......its simple common sense to me. But given the correct training gun carrying "citizens" would be trained, proven experts in the field. If idiots want to carry guns they will carry guns wether they are legal or not. Europe specifically France is one of the biggest arms dealers in the world. So it's ok for our countries to sell weapons to our enemies in the East yet we ban our right to defend ourselves? Edited November 16, 2015 by DogFox123 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
neems 2,406 Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 Call me old fashioned but if my house is burning down i want to see the fire brigade.....if my car breaks down i want to see a mechanic.......toothache = dentist etc While i accept in an emergency anyone who has the correct tool kit is a result........in general trained proven experts in their field on average do the job most efficiently and you like to think that in a developed world like we currently live in you can get the right man for the job......its simple common sense to me. For arguments sake,say the civilians were expected to pass a course much harder in terms of safety and marksmanship than soldiers/police,would they be qualified enough for you then? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,646 Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 Call me old fashioned but if my house is burning down i want to see the fire brigade.....if my car breaks down i want to see a mechanic.......toothache = dentist etc While i accept in an emergency anyone who has the correct tool kit is a result........in general trained proven experts in their field on average do the job most efficiently and you like to think that in a developed world like we currently live in you can get the right man for the job......its simple common sense to me. Without a shadow of a doubt you are correct. If I'm shopping on the high-street and an Islamic hit squad start shooting the place up I want a fully tooled up SAS squadron to immediately kick the doors in and do what they do best. They're the best in the world and I want nothing short of that. In France at that rock concert, as soon as the French counter terror team got on the scene they went in and ended things like well honed professionals, but 89 are still in the morgue... Fact is they're not always around the corner for us, the police aren't always around to protect us from nasty people. The vast majority of the time you're on your own. And that's why some people want the right to carry. To save lives until the professionals turn up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
neems 2,406 Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 Call me old fashioned but if my house is burning down i want to see the fire brigade.....if my car breaks down i want to see a mechanic.......toothache = dentist etc While i accept in an emergency anyone who has the correct tool kit is a result........in general trained proven experts in their field on average do the job most efficiently and you like to think that in a developed world like we currently live in you can get the right man for the job......its simple common sense to me. Without a shadow of a doubt you are correct. If I'm shopping on the high-street and an Islamic hit squad start shooting the place up I want a fully tooled up SAS squadron to immediately kick the doors in and do what they do best. They're the best in the world and I want nothing short of that. In France at that rock concert, as soon as the French counter terror team got on the scene they went in and ended things like well honed professionals, but 89 are still in the morgue... Fact is they're not always around the corner for us, the police aren't always around to protect us from nasty people. The vast majority of the time you're on your own. And that's why some people want the right to carry. To save lives until the professionals turn up. Did it not take them 2 hours to get in there? When seconds count they're hours away. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,646 Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 Call me old fashioned but if my house is burning down i want to see the fire brigade.....if my car breaks down i want to see a mechanic.......toothache = dentist etc While i accept in an emergency anyone who has the correct tool kit is a result........in general trained proven experts in their field on average do the job most efficiently and you like to think that in a developed world like we currently live in you can get the right man for the job......its simple common sense to me. Without a shadow of a doubt you are correct. If I'm shopping on the high-street and an Islamic hit squad start shooting the place up I want a fully tooled up SAS squadron to immediately kick the doors in and do what they do best. They're the best in the world and I want nothing short of that. In France at that rock concert, as soon as the French counter terror team got on the scene they went in and ended things like well honed professionals, but 89 are still in the morgue... Fact is they're not always around the corner for us, the police aren't always around to protect us from nasty people. The vast majority of the time you're on your own. And that's why some people want the right to carry. To save lives until the professionals turn up. Did it not take them 2 hours to get in there? When seconds count they're hours away. GIGN carried out the assault. I know regular police had cordoned the place off. Were the GIGN on the scene for two hours while people were being executed? I doubt it but it sounds like regular police were. IMO as soon as they knew people were being executed and had the right team present they would have gone in. But the point stands, they weren't there when needed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lukey 1,620 Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 Just heard on the radio about the minutes silence today, Nicola sturgeon joined the local Muslims at a mosque here in Glasgow to stand side by side with them during this? Surly there is French people/family's here that she could have stood with? In fact I know there is as we seen them aswell as locals out in town the other day Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lenmcharristar 9,193 Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 Just heard on the radio about the minutes silence today, Nicola sturgeon joined the local Muslims at a mosque here in Glasgow to stand side by side with them during this? Surly there is French people/family's here that she could have stood with? In fact I know there is as we seen them aswell as locals out in town the other dayimage.jpgscotlandistan now??? Her n merkel are cut from the same cloth, the mussies are so hard done by she needs an obe Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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