Anyone Know Much About Bullmastiffs?

[downsouth 8,355]

Yes

[dare 1,103]

What is the law regarding guard dogs though? Your dog bites someone and are you more aless f****d? I couldnt give a toss about the law in a fight but if the dogs gonna loose its life over it id rather take a kick in than that.

[keepdiggin 9,566]

Not sure you can use roaming guard dogs now on scrap yards etc however you can employ a dog handler with a dog. If a dog bites anyone it can be destroyed as it could be seen as a out of control dog even if it was a burgler lol.

[BGD 6,437]

What is the law regarding guard dogs though? Your dog bites someone and are you more aless f****d? I couldnt give a toss about the law in a fight but if the dogs gonna loose its life over it id rather take a kick in than that.

Comes under the same reasonable force laws as defending yourself I believe, if your dog nails an attacker and stops when you call it off you'll be alright but if it's out of control laying into someone it doesn't matter what they did to provoke it.

 

Before the change in the DDA a woman I knew had a break in and her staff absolutely savaged the guy really left him in a state, when the police turned up the dog handler gave the staff a treat and thanked it for doing their job for them not sure how the changes to the law would effect that situation, I think I remember there was specific clause protecting you if your dog attacks a trespasser?

 

Not sure you can use roaming guard dogs now on scrap yards etc however you can employ a dog handler with a dog. If a dog bites anyone it can be destroyed as it could be seen as a out of control dog even if it was a burgler lol.

Pretty sure it's been illegal to have guard dogs roaming free for years they need to be chained away from entrances or accompanied by a handler.

 

You can leave your "pet" roaming where ever you want on your property though

Edited November 9, 2015 by BGD

[dare 1,103]

So in some ways its useless having a big dog to stop scumbags? The worlds gone mad lol.

[downsouth 8,355]

Keepdiggin I've tried to pm you but it's saying you can't receive messages

[keepdiggin 9,566]

Im on my phone mate quite limited in what i can access, will sort it in the morning pal

[downsouth 8,355]

So in some ways its useless having a big dog to stop scumbags? The worlds gone mad lol.

If some scummy c**t breaks in my house when my missus and baby are there and my dog does them I'll worry about the law afterwards.

[gnasher16 31,490]

 

.....what exactly is " tested " in Bandog circles ?

The group of lads I train with try to put our dogs under different types of mental stress and pressure whilst doing protection work ie smoke bombs,chainsaws/leaf blowers revved in their faces,working on unstable surfaces.strobes just to give you an idea.As well as being put under physical and mental pressure by professional Decoys.A lot of people think a decoy just puts a sleeve or suit on and gets bitten but I've seen good decoys make dogs crumple just by approaching a dog a certain way.Then as well as the protection and environmental stuff we then expect them to switch off and act calm and social amongst a cow of people bumping them with baby prams,crowding them,opening a umbrella in their face etc all without reacting scared or aggressive.Plus they are expected to act calm in non threatening situations at all times.Thats nowhere near everything we do but hopefully it gives you a bit of an idea.It might not sound much but you'd be very surprised how many so called great protection/guard dogs I've seen completely shut down or go the opposite way and just want to do anyone who they can get at both of which are completely useless.

 

Must admit i thought that was about the gist of it whack a sleeve on give the dog a few clumps and play tug of war !......so thankyou mate i appreciate the insight....it makes me wonder how much of those qualities are likely to be passed on.....if ever there was a breed where nurture dictated more than nature this must be it i imagine it takes a good ability to read a dog to train one up.......not my cuppa tea dogs like that but still good knowledge to take on board,cheers.

[downsouth 8,355]

 

 

.....what exactly is " tested " in Bandog circles ?

The group of lads I train with try to put our dogs under different types of mental stress and pressure whilst doing protection work ie smoke bombs,chainsaws/leaf blowers revved in their faces,working on unstable surfaces.strobes just to give you an idea.As well as being put under physical and mental pressure by professional Decoys.A lot of people think a decoy just puts a sleeve or suit on and gets bitten but I've seen good decoys make dogs crumple just by approaching a dog a certain way.Then as well as the protection and environmental stuff we then expect them to switch off and act calm and social amongst a cow of people bumping them with baby prams,crowding them,opening a umbrella in their face etc all without reacting scared or aggressive.Plus they are expected to act calm in non threatening situations at all times.Thats nowhere near everything we do but hopefully it gives you a bit of an idea.It might not sound much but you'd be very surprised how many so called great protection/guard dogs I've seen completely shut down or go the opposite way and just want to do anyone who they can get at both of which are completely useless.

Must admit i thought that was about the gist of it whack a sleeve on give the dog a few clumps and play tug of war !......so thankyou mate i appreciate the insight....it makes me wonder how much of those qualities are likely to be passed on.....if ever there was a breed where nurture dictated more than nature this must be it i imagine it takes a good ability to read a dog to train one up.......not my cuppa tea dogs like that but still good knowledge to take on board,cheers.

Absolutely it does does take a lot of work and the ability to read a dog to train it to a good standard you can't just put a sleeve on and start clumping f**k out of them.But they do need to have the right materials for you to work with in the first place.Just having the guts to take a hiding and still want to bight someone isn't enough.Not for me anyway as that's just a liability.I need a dog that has to be calm and passive and docile in non threatening situations a dog that can read situations and have what I call an on/off switch.Good nerves a solid temperament and a brain have to be there in the first place.

[gnasher16 31,490]

And just how much of a liability would one be in the hands of somebody who knows dogs but just doesnt have the inclination to take them to that sort of standard.....what i mean is left to its own devices will they adapt to their surroundings ( i dont mean in a built up busy area ).....are they easy going when at rest for example ?......are they dog aggressive or does it just need to be kept in check ?

Edited November 9, 2015 by gnasher16

[BGD 6,437]

And just how much of a liability would one be in the hands of somebody who knows dogs but just doesnt have the inclination to take them to that sort of standard.....what i mean is left to its own devices will they adapt to their surroundings ( i dont mean in a built up busy area ).....are they easy going when at rest for example ?......are they dog aggressive or does it just need to be kept in check ?

In my experience bandogs aren't really dog aggressive as such just very dominant with other dogs, similar to how a lot of male rottweilers are. I've known a couple of bandog types kept by women as pets and they've been your typical "gentle giant" temperament without an aggressive bone in their body and atleast one of them was from quite serious lines with its littermates all going to working homes so I'd say they can adapt to their surroundings quite well.

 

It's when they get a bit of half arsed training from some muppet that has no clue what they're doing that they can become a liability IMO, with protection training it really is all or nothing if you're not prepared to take the dog to the sort of level downsouth talks about you've got no business even starting to think about protection training.

[dare 1,103]

 

So in some ways its useless having a big dog to stop scumbags? The worlds gone mad lol.

If some scummy c**t breaks in my house when my missus and baby are there and my dog does them I'll worry about the law afterwards.

Too right mate, i just was wondering where the law stands. Difference between a dog doing its job and some ego owner with a dog he cant handle. Sounds like your dogs are spot on anyway, like the idea of them being able to turn off. Sort of sounds like a dog more confident in itself rather than constantly wanting to grab anything like a man biter.

 

A few presas have caught my eye but like all breeds alot of shit out there too. Suppose just got to do some homework before buying. Some look quite like just black or brindle am bulldogs. Size wise how do they compare? Know it says that on google but guessing thats just the standard for dogs being shown.

[downsouth 8,355]

And just how much of a liability would one be in the hands of somebody who knows dogs but just doesnt have the inclination to take them to that sort of standard.....what i mean is left to its own devices will they adapt to their surroundings ( i dont mean in a built up busy area ).....are they easy going when at rest for example ?......are they dog aggressive or does it just need to be kept in check ?

That's what I like most about about all the neopolitan influenced bandogs I've had experience with.They are laid back chilled out relaxed dogs that seem to take that extra second to weigh up a situation.Theyre not demanding if you want to take them for a good long walk twice a day they will happily go if it's pissing it down and you don't fancy it they will just chill out.They are no different to any other dog as far as dog as far as dog aggression goes if socialised from pups they are fine.And one thing thing the all seem to do from an early age which they definitely get from the neo is guard protect what they see as theirs.To be fair I don't need to go training with mine to know what's mine will be kept safe whilst at the same time friends or unthreatening people can be invited into my home and be completely safe.Its just that I enjoy finding out exactly how good they are.My pal who's probably the most knowledgeable bloke in this country regarding what I call the traditional bandog was telling me for years once I tried one I'd never look back and told me exactly how they'd behave.For years I thought theyre not a bit of me now I wish I'd tried one years ago it would have saved me a lot of stress as they really are that easy to own.

[BGD 6,437]

Really like the sound of the neo influenced bandogs, never owned one myself always been DDB/EM/BM influenced lines, stayed away from the neo types because I've personally never met what I would consider a fit and healthy pure.

 

Do you have any experience with bandogs bred from other mastiff types downsouth? Wondering how you think they compare