Anyone Know Much About Bullmastiffs?

[bird 10,014]

What actually constitutes " good " in breeds like these Bandogs/Presa/Bulldog etc......good at what and good for what....what is their use and value to where a man would switch from bulldogs to bandogs ?

 

Im not taking the piss by the way just curious for the knowledge

well gnash for me , it would be to get a better type bullmastiff meaning = more healthy if you read my thread i kept bullmastiffs, but the breed even then in the 80s had big health probd HD/elbow/ and not long lived ,so thinking just the same as lurcher a dog that hybrid should on paper be healthy well deff more than pure bullmastiff, as you know i like bulldogs had them and staffs etc, if they were watch dogs which they aint lol mine liked people, but that bit bullmastiff does give more watch dog temp, i dont mean nasty dog i wouldnt keep one, but one that barks if a stranger knocked the door, that why i think a ban-dog may be useful, nothing else as you said your self apbt there great breed with brain,healthy and there guts and power deff can improve other breeds when x to them, just look at some pitxgreys real good dogs for the job they been bred for.,!!

[DogFox123 1,379]

What actually constitutes " good " in breeds like these Bandogs/Presa/Bulldog etc......good at what and good for what....what is their use and value to where a man would switch from bulldogs to bandogs ?

 

Im not taking the piss by the way just curious for the knowledge

I think when you cross a fighting dog with other large dogs like a mastiff you have a recipe for disaster, inevitably the man biters get labeled as Pitbulls wether they are or not. What's wrong with a Rottweiler or German Shepherd for christs sake....

[gnasher16 30,861]

 

What actually constitutes " good " in breeds like these Bandogs/Presa/Bulldog etc......good at what and good for what....what is their use and value to where a man would switch from bulldogs to bandogs ?

 

Im not taking the piss by the way just curious for the knowledge

 

The "ideal" bandog would be as fit as a bulldog with the guardian temp of a mastiff type, it's basically trying to recreate the old, capable mastiff types. Their use and value is as a guard dog but I can't understand swapping bulldogs for them, I've always kept both I guess bulldog folk would be attracted to the bandog types because of the athleticism and tenancity they show, both traits we all admire in the bulldog. I know after keeping bulldogs I couldn't stand to have a fat lazy dog like most mastiffs are these days.

 

Do you have any pictures of a Bandog bgd ?.....im not sure if ive ever even seen one and when i type it into Google a mish mash of everything comes up......are they used for all that Schutzund stuff or are they too big for that ?

[gnasher16 30,861]

 

 

I think when you cross a fighting dog with other large dogs like a mastiff you have a recipe for disaster, inevitably the man biters get labeled as Pitbulls wether they are or not. What's wrong with a Rottweiler or German Shepherd for christs sake....

 

Must admit thats always been my philosophy....choose a breed for what you need !.......but always worth listening to new theories and move with the times so to speak.

[DogFox123 1,379]

What do you mean matched dogfox123?

Probably shouldn't have said matched as I doubt there was money involved but one was rolled with a decent Pitbull.

[DogFox123 1,379]

 

I think when you cross a fighting dog with other large dogs like a mastiff you have a recipe for disaster, inevitably the man biters get labeled as Pitbulls wether they are or not. What's wrong with a Rottweiler or German Shepherd for christs sake....

 

Must admit thats always been my philosophy....choose a breed for what you need !.......but always worth listening to new theories and move with the times so to speak.

Basically the fighting Tosa is a fighting Bandog as Pit is put into the mix on a regular and consistent basis especially in the Lightweight division.

[BGD 6,437]

 

 

What actually constitutes " good " in breeds like these Bandogs/Presa/Bulldog etc......good at what and good for what....what is their use and value to where a man would switch from bulldogs to bandogs ?

 

Im not taking the piss by the way just curious for the knowledge

 

The "ideal" bandog would be as fit as a bulldog with the guardian temp of a mastiff type, it's basically trying to recreate the old, capable mastiff types. Their use and value is as a guard dog but I can't understand swapping bulldogs for them, I've always kept both I guess bulldog folk would be attracted to the bandog types because of the athleticism and tenancity they show, both traits we all admire in the bulldog. I know after keeping bulldogs I couldn't stand to have a fat lazy dog like most mastiffs are these days.

 

Do you have any pictures of a Bandog bgd ?.....im not sure if ive ever even seen one and when i type it into Google a mish mash of everything comes up......are they used for all that Schutzund stuff or are they too big for that ?

 

 

They're a very mish mashed "type" to be fair, all depends what % of mastiff and bulldog blood used and even the type of mastiff, you see it all from neapolitan crosses to dogs like my last bandog that was a bullmastiff/pit/american bulldog cross. Think of bandogs as the lurchers of the mastiff world, mixed breeds bred for a purpose

 

Here's my old boy

 

They're used in Schutzhund etc sometimes but more often they're used as actual working patrol/yard dogs.

 

Check out http://www.americanbandog.com/ for an example of a really well thought out bandog breeding program

[DogFox123 1,379]

 

 

What actually constitutes " good " in breeds like these Bandogs/Presa/Bulldog etc......good at what and good for what....what is their use and value to where a man would switch from bulldogs to bandogs ?

 

Im not taking the piss by the way just curious for the knowledge

 

The "ideal" bandog would be as fit as a bulldog with the guardian temp of a mastiff type, it's basically trying to recreate the old, capable mastiff types. Their use and value is as a guard dog but I can't understand swapping bulldogs for them, I've always kept both I guess bulldog folk would be attracted to the bandog types because of the athleticism and tenancity they show, both traits we all admire in the bulldog. I know after keeping bulldogs I couldn't stand to have a fat lazy dog like most mastiffs are these days.

Do you have any pictures of a Bandog bgd ?.....im not sure if ive ever even seen one and when i type it into Google a mish mash of everything comes up......are they used for all that Schutzund stuff or are they too big for that ?

This man is an expert on the Bandog, he's a regular poster on certain Bulldog forums.

 

http://www.americanbandog.com/

[gnasher16 30,861]

 

 

I think when you cross a fighting dog with other large dogs like a mastiff you have a recipe for disaster, inevitably the man biters get labeled as Pitbulls wether they are or not. What's wrong with a Rottweiler or German Shepherd for christs sake....

Must admit thats always been my philosophy....choose a breed for what you need !.......but always worth listening to new theories and move with the times so to speak.

Basically the fighting Tosa is a fighting Bandog as Pit is put into the mix on a regular and consistent basis especially in the Lightweight division.

 

From everything ive heard and read about Tosa,s and the culture of the fighting they do.....i wouldnt class them as fighting dogs in the truest sense of the word...but thats another subject.

[DogFox123 1,379]

 

 

 

I think when you cross a fighting dog with other large dogs like a mastiff you have a recipe for disaster, inevitably the man biters get labeled as Pitbulls wether they are or not. What's wrong with a Rottweiler or German Shepherd for christs sake....

 

Must admit thats always been my philosophy....choose a breed for what you need !.......but always worth listening to new theories and move with the times so to speak.

Basically the fighting Tosa is a fighting Bandog as Pit is put into the mix on a regular and consistent basis especially in the Lightweight division.

From everything ive heard and read about Tosa,s and the culture of the fighting they do.....i wouldnt class them as fighting dogs in the truest sense of the word...but thats another subject.

Don't believe everything you read especially from the likes of Stratton, obviously they aren't on par with Bulldogs for sheer gameness but don't believe the story's of 30lb Bulldogs beating 150lb Tosa's. I've seen them go at similar weights even and the Tosa more than olds it own. The Lightweight and Middleweight dogs are serious animals, far from the fat, slobbery animals you've probably seen.

[gnasher16 30,861]

you see it all from neapolitan crosses to dogs like my last bandog that was a bullmastiff/pit/american bulldog cross.

 

 

I cant help thinking its a bit like crossing Mike Tyson/Sonny Liston/Rocky Marciano to just produce the most nasty crazy f****d up boxer in history .......and then saying " right now lets start thinking about temperament "

 

Is it not a bit sledgehammer to hit a nail type of thing i mean surely someone with that much to protect would just get a decent security system/security guards ?

 

Yours looks a well kept good looking animal by the way

Edited November 9, 2015 by gnasher16

[BGD 6,437]

 

 

 

 

I think when you cross a fighting dog with other large dogs like a mastiff you have a recipe for disaster, inevitably the man biters get labeled as Pitbulls wether they are or not. What's wrong with a Rottweiler or German Shepherd for christs sake....

Must admit thats always been my philosophy....choose a breed for what you need !.......but always worth listening to new theories and move with the times so to speak.

Basically the fighting Tosa is a fighting Bandog as Pit is put into the mix on a regular and consistent basis especially in the Lightweight division.

From everything ive heard and read about Tosa,s and the culture of the fighting they do.....i wouldnt class them as fighting dogs in the truest sense of the word...but thats another subject.

Don't believe everything you read especially from the likes of Stratton, obviously they aren't on par with Bulldogs for sheer gameness but don't believe the story's of 30lb Bulldogs beating 150lb Tosa's. I've seen them go at similar weights even and the Tosa more than olds it own. The Lightweight and Middleweight dogs are serious animals, far from the fat, slobbery animals you've probably seen.

 

 

They're the Sumo wrestlers of the dog world, they don't even fight under Cajun rules so I don't understand how you could even begin to compare them to bulldogs

 

Different breeds, different cultures and totally different matching styles. Pitting the two against eachother is pointless and cruel.

[gnasher16 30,861]

 

Don't believe everything you read especially from the likes of Stratton, obviously they aren't on par with Bulldogs for sheer gameness but don't believe the story's of 30lb Bulldogs beating 150lb Tosa's. I've seen them go at similar weights even and the Tosa more than olds it own. The Lightweight and Middleweight dogs are serious animals, far from the fat, slobbery animals you've probably seen.

 

I was talking about the rules/culture rather than the dogs.......ive had it explained to me it would be like a big wwf wrestler taking on Muhammad Ali......its either a fight or its entertainment ?

 

oops BGD beat me to it !

Edited November 9, 2015 by gnasher16

[DogFox123 1,379]

 

 

 

 

 

I think when you cross a fighting dog with other large dogs like a mastiff you have a recipe for disaster, inevitably the man biters get labeled as Pitbulls wether they are or not. What's wrong with a Rottweiler or German Shepherd for christs sake....

 

Must admit thats always been my philosophy....choose a breed for what you need !.......but always worth listening to new theories and move with the times so to speak.

Basically the fighting Tosa is a fighting Bandog as Pit is put into the mix on a regular and consistent basis especially in the Lightweight division.

From everything ive heard and read about Tosa,s and the culture of the fighting they do.....i wouldnt class them as fighting dogs in the truest sense of the word...but thats another subject.

Don't believe everything you read especially from the likes of Stratton, obviously they aren't on par with Bulldogs for sheer gameness but don't believe the story's of 30lb Bulldogs beating 150lb Tosa's. I've seen them go at similar weights even and the Tosa more than olds it own. The Lightweight and Middleweight dogs are serious animals, far from the fat, slobbery animals you've probably seen.

They're the Sumo wrestlers of the dog world, they don't even fight under Cajun rules so I don't understand how you could even begin to compare them to bulldogs

 

Different breeds, different cultures and totally different matching styles. Pitting the two against eachother is pointless and cruel.

There's Bulldog clubs over there in Japan, sometimes they do pit both breeds against each other but remember that even a lightweight Tosa will outweigh a Bulldog by a fair amount.

[BGD 6,437]

 

you see it all from neapolitan crosses to dogs like my last bandog that was a bullmastiff/pit/american bulldog cross.

 

 

I cant help thinking its a bit like crossing Mike Tyson/Sonny Liston/Rocky Marciano to just produce the most nasty crazy f****d up boxer in history .......and then saying " right now lets start thinking about temperament "

 

Is it not a bit sledgehammer to hit a nail type of thing i mean surely someone with that much to protect would just get a decent security system/security guards ?

 

 

I like tha anaolgy certainly describes the less well thought out bandog programmes.

 

Personally I think a good dog has it's place as part of a security system though my thoughts on the subject changed a bit a few years back when I lost one of my best bulldogs to a kennel accident with my two bandogs, I'll never use dogs to guard dogs again but I still wouldn't be without a real "manstopper" about the house.

Different strokes and all that