Patterdale X Greyhound

[neil cooney 10,416]

Just an observation on threads like this.

You could discuss all day which dog is more suitable to put over a greyhound ie. a bulldog or a patterdale terrier (two breeds IMO where there's more curs than not) but not a word about the greyhound ??

Fact is that most greyhounds are curs too but most lads breed from the first one they get which 9 times out of 10 is somebody else's reject.

Yet, when the pups don't make the grade the terrier type or the Saluki or the Collie get the blame.

JMHO.

[shaaark 11,418]

This thread was doing ok til bull blood was mentioned. And I'm quite aware that there's bull blood in many lines of patterdale lol. I also agree with neil above. And I'd also go along with neems to a degree too, I don't really class staffs etc as terriers, even though they are classified as such

Edited November 9, 2015 by shaaark

[j1985 1,984]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You are right enough mate the pat would add some nice blood to a lurcher. Finding a dead game apbt would be a lot harder than finding a proven pat. Unless you knew boys working apbt proper.

They'd be very different types of dog anyway wouldn't they?

 

Surely a terrier is a more natural hunting dog,bred to make use of it's nose and hunt up,a bull is bred for other characteristics.

That's a very valid point.

Although one could argue that a bull is a terrier and given the chance would probably hunt pretty well.

I know a few lads use staffys as general mooching and bushing and ratching about dogs and they do the job.

A bulldog isn't a hunting dog,it hasn't been bred for anything resembling any type of hunting for a very long time,a lot of people would argue they probably have almost no terrier in their breeding.

 

I'd like to see a good bushing staff,mine have always been shite at it

They enjoyed it which is all they were really there for.

Who mentioned bulldogs?

And just because your staffys are shite it doesn't mean they all are fella. There is an article on here about working Staffords and I'm sure there are others.

Bulldog means 'bull',mine where all down from workers,all out from pups,but not in the same league a terrier or spaniel,I had 1 with an amazing nose and he did find some things quite well but was still no good at rabbiting.

 

It's just not in their nature imo,they enjoy it though which is the main thing.

The person who wrote that article would probably agree.

Ok fella I aren't entertaining a debate with someone who calls an APBT a bulldog.

Gaz, most people who are into pits call em bulldogs!

Feckin idiots ?

 

That's like me talking to you about cars, you don't know a lot about cars, but you know the basics, and you know a diesel isn't a petrol.

 

But I insist on calling a diesel a petrol.

 

And then tell you a ford isn't actually a ford, its a nissan.

 

Hahaha. Gotta love THL.

Tell that to the men breeding, pioneering, matching etc that were calling them that 100 years ago mate!! Back then the image of a smashed in weezing fat lump of dribbling k9 wasn't what they thought of when the word bulldog was used...

[j1985 1,984]

Also bulldog is a term like sheepdog is! It's a job title not a breed...look back to bull baiting depictions and tell me how many dogs there resemble what you'd class as a bulldog!

[neems 2,406]

 

Feckin idiots

 

That's like me talking to you about cars, you don't know a lot about cars, but you know the basics, and you know a diesel isn't a petrol.

 

But I insist on calling a diesel a petrol.

 

And then tell you a ford isn't actually a ford, its a nissan.

 

Hahaha. Gotta love THL.

 

 

 

What are you rambling on about?

 

Never mind,Bulldogs aren't then subject of this thread.

[Gaz_1989 9,539]

Bullmastiff x Whippet.

 

That's the way to go.

[jake824 517]

I was enjoying this topic . Ffs

[j1985 1,984]

Soooooo back to Patt x Greys!

 

Get two lines going at once using leggy mute hard as feck types, coat and colour for me would be irrelevant but straight legs and length of back would be as important as making sure the terrier and the greyhound had it all going on upstairs. That's a problem I see in some bull greys bred out of wide chested short coupled bulls, too slow.

 

Seems a lot of people think any old grey bitch will do, it's just as if not more important that the grey bitch is as sound a worker as the other dog used imo.

[Gaz_1989 9,539]

Soooooo back to Patt x Greys!

 

Get two lines going at once using leggy mute hard as feck types, coat and colour for me would be irrelevant but straight legs and length of back would be as important as making sure the terrier and the greyhound had it all going on upstairs. That's a problem I see in some bull greys bred out of wide chested short coupled bulls, too slow.

 

Seems a lot of people think any old grey bitch will do, it's just as if not more important that the grey bitch is as sound a worker as the other dog used imo.

Just say you had a hard as nails, well tested, mute, patterdale, of the stamp you have got in mind. And you are lucky enough to find someone with a working greyhound bitch, raised in the field and worked as a lurcher (and they are willing to put the patt over their greyhound, and then cull hard) what would you be hoping to produce?

 

I know lurchers, but what stamp of a dog and what qualities do you think you would end up with?

 

And might it be an improvement on what is being produced by lurcher x lurcher litters at the moment?

 

Not trick questions.

[juckler123 707]

I always fancied seeing this cross I ran a pair of Kerry blue grehound xs they were resilient little things

 

Can see a leggy patterdale having more to offer than bull xs no bad feet for a start !!

And I think the pit lads missed the trip with the patts personally too !!

Bigger teeth and as hard as you like with thicker skin lol All good things to put into a working type lurcher

Edited November 9, 2015 by juckler123

[Silversnake 1,099]

I think you would want the same qualities you would want from a good bull x with a bit better feet,coat and nose if you are lucky. As stated though if I had access to good lurchers to breed with I would personally prefer to use something like that and probably save myself time and hassle.

[Bosun11 537]

I think you would want the same qualities you would want from a good bull x with a bit better feet,coat and nose if you are lucky. As stated though if I had access to good lurchers to breed with I would personally prefer to use something like that and probably save myself time and hassle.

I would say the same qualities as a Beddy cross but with better drive, coat and feet.

[Wales1234 5,682]

 

I think you would want the same qualities you would want from a good bull x with a bit better feet,coat and nose if you are lucky. As stated though if I had access to good lurchers to breed with I would personally prefer to use something like that and probably save myself time and hassle.

I'd never compare this cross to a decent bull cross, they'd be worlds apart imo.

I would say the same qualities as a Beddy cross but with better drive, coat and feet.

Got to agree some the work iv seen bull X do I don't think any breed lurcher will compare to them for what they do and bred for

[shaaark 11,418]

 

 

I think you would want the same qualities you would want from a good bull x with a bit better feet,coat and nose if you are lucky. As stated though if I had access to good lurchers to breed with I would personally prefer to use something like that and probably save myself time and hassle.

I'd never compare this cross to a decent bull cross, they'd be worlds apart imo.

I would say the same qualities as a Beddy cross but with better drive, coat and feet.

Got to agree some the work iv seen bull X do I don't think any breed lurcher will compare to them for what they do and bred for

 

But proper lurchers are not bred for doing the same things that proper bull x's are best at. And by proper bull x, that's exactly what I mean, not a lurcher with a bit of bull in one, or even both parents, because then that's just a lurcher with a little bit of bull in, not a bull x. Like that bitch u have, I like that, even though there's bull in her lol, but she's not a bull x. Just using her as an example .

I think alot of the arguments/debates etc around bull x's come about by people claiming that their bull x can do everything that other x's do, and they can't, plainly, as more and more people are now finding out.

Anyway, patterdale x greyhound, why not? As a few others have said, better feet, coat and should be nippier/quicker and more agile than a bull x. But like you say, you can't really compare any definite type against another, because they'll have different attributes.

P.S. I'm not anti bull breed, just don't like bull x lurchers lol

[Wales1234 5,682]

 

 

 

 

I think you would want the same qualities you would want from a good bull x with a bit better feet,coat and nose if you are lucky. As stated though if I had access to good lurchers to breed with I would personally prefer to use something like that and probably save myself time and hassle.

I'd never compare this cross to a decent bull cross, they'd be worlds apart imo.

I would say the same qualities as a Beddy cross but with better drive, coat and feet.

Got to agree some the work iv seen bull X do I don't think any breed lurcher will compare to them for what they do and bred for

But proper lurchers are not bred for doing the same things that proper bull x's are best at. And by proper bull x, that's exactly what I mean, not a lurcher with a bit of bull in one, or even both parents, because then that's just a lurcher with a little bit of bull in, not a bull x. Like that bitch u have, I like that, even though there's bull in her lol, but she's not a bull x. Just using her as an example .

I think alot of the arguments/debates etc around bull x's come about by people claiming that their bull x can do everything that other x's do, and they can't, plainly, as more and more people are now finding out.

Anyway, patterdale x greyhound, why not? As a few others have said, better feet, coat and should be nippier/quicker and more agile than a bull x. But like you say, you can't really compare any definite type against another, because they'll have different attributes.

P.S. I'm not anti bull breed, just don't like bull x lurchers lol

I retired my bull X and I was left missing what she added to the pack my other lurchers got bull in there make up but doesn't come close to a bull X and that's the only way you can put it !!

I know of a patterdale dog that is seriously hard and if you could get him over a greyhound would be a very good lurcher I would of thought he's got a good coat and feet