Hancock's Border/beardie Stud Dogs.

[Hareydave 1,214]

mine was hateful c**t..but produce great pups

[jukel123 6,700]

Sesku, I am both ashamed and proud to say I kept her for 14 feckin years. My wife and kids thought the world of her and I couldn't upset them by putting her down.

[Chid 6,379]

Seen a great looking collie and it moved cattle brilliantly , and the other week was talking to the farmer thinking id get a line of it or even a pup in the future when he told me it was a cur lol it was a 1/4 lab 3/4 collie and it had no balls lol

[Maximus Ferret 2,059]

Sesku, I am both ashamed and proud to say I kept her for 14 feckin years. My wife and kids thought the world of her and I couldn't upset them by putting her down.

How old was she when you got her as a pup? I've had a lot of collie crosses over the years and I believe the two most important points are

1) Avoid breeding from a neurotic collie or collie lurcher ...and

2) Get the pup young and socialise it well.(animals, other dogs, people, traffic etc.

[s.e.s.k.u 1,893]

Sesku, I am both ashamed and proud to say I kept her for 14 feckin years. My wife and kids thought the world of her and I couldn't upset them by putting her down.

14 years of what you describe. ..utter madness lol

[jukel123 6,700]

She was eight weeks .I should have recognised she was going to be a bit weird in the first few days, but I thought with good socialisation she would come round. Wrong.

[jukel123 6,700]

Forgot to mention to be fair to her she was a very good shit hunter. She loved shit of all flavours: rabbit, hare, sheep and horse. But her especial favourite was human shit-she could find any human shit within half a mile. She appreciated both rolling in it and eating it. She was very difficult to love.

Edited November 26, 2014 by jukel123

[Neal 1,815]

Chid21, that reminds me of when I lived in Coniston with my first lurcher in the early 90s. She was a first cross beardie/greyhound (sired by Remus out of a bitch called Emma). I saw a lovely looking working beardie in the village (or so I thought) when I asked about it and was pointed in the direction of the breeder on a nearby farm the dam was a regular looking border (if there is such a thing) and the sire was a weird looking short backed very long legged mongrelly collie with a thick ruff...it looked like an early rough collie or a maned wolf...looks can be deceptive.

 

On a slightly different note, I remember once seeing a heeler which turned out to be a collie x staffy and a lovely collie which tuned out to be a heeler imported from France.

[Phil Lloyd 10,736]

Herding dogs are an amazingly varied type...

Been around such animals for over 50 years,.....I really like them...

 

When choosing a sheepdog Sire or Dam, to create a roustabout lurcher,...I try to see the animal off its own ground,..well out of its comfort zone...A lot of dogs look ok when they feel safe and sound,.but, in my experience, this is not always a true picture...

Nervy, shy collies are a pain to train,..likewise noisy divy things,. that are all gob...

Obviously, such beasts can still produce a good end product, but why take the chance...far better to wait for a quieter, more manageable canine.

Edited November 26, 2014 by Phil Lloyd

[matt1979 766]

Always been surprised myself when people recommend collie x lurchers for a beginner. Having spent a lot of my childhood with farm collies I wouldn't personally take one on in a running dog unless it was I kited blood, yes they are were all tough as you like, naturally retrieved and could go all day but everyone was also neurotic and obsessive to the point that they personally become annoyig. Iam sure they are more steady examples out there but think they are in the minority for my experience. I have never owned a collie x but would have thought you run this risk of ended up with a very collie type dog especially ina first x, fine if you have experience and like these traits but not in my opinion ideal for a beginner. Especially when you consider the much more lad back nature of my other running dogs jmo cheers

[Mickey Finn 2,766]

Most of the pups that hancock produces now seem to be a mix of beardie/border blood.

Why after all these years has he chosen to go down this route?

I know he had beardie/border stud dogs donkeys years ago, but they were in a minority. Most of his stud dogs were border types.

Any answers? Theories?

I'd guess it's down to demand. Why breed dogs that nobody wants. I have a hairy one myself and it's a drag to brush him out after each hunt. But it was 12 degrees F here the other day and he wasn't cold. So, that's one advantage.

 

ATB

[foresterj 1,096]

I love Collie crosses, but the beardie blood is a waste of time, proper working beardies died out years ago because borders were better., how many farms do you go on and see working beardies ? not many.

I'll take me wastes of time out and shoot em now then eh? Could you possibly publish the results of your extensive survey into the working stock dogs of the British Isles, I'm assuming that you have conducted such a survey in order for you to make such sweeping generalisations?

[Grunter123 1,093]

I had two 20years ago out of Richard jones made good fox dogs and deer in the woods, very cleaver one of them ,I have some unbelievable stories about and memories what one of these dogs was cable of doing never had another one so I don't no what there like now, but heard there nothing like they where

[bird 9,601]

I had two 20years ago out of Richard jones made good fox dogs and deer in the woods, very cleaver one of them ,I have some unbelievable stories about and memories what one of these dogs was cable of doing never had another one so I don't no what there like now, but heard there nothing like they where

Richard jones was Blaze sire , my 3/8 collie 5/8 grey ive talked about and on here now+ pic in colliex grey for foxes, and like above no prob with fox job

[Rake aboot 4,929]

I have the brother to the stud dogs that he uses now. They kept him back but sold him to me cause he`s black and everyone wants Merle.