God

[frazdog 252]

lads that wasnt the kj bible most of that was changedall porkies with no evidence just shit

i put up loads

gimme a shout when youve got some,,peace out

[shepp 2,285]

NONE OF IT HAS BEEN PROVEN !!.......lol lol

Well I think it's proven enough for most people that the world is not 6,000 years old, Noah never literally happened .

For someone to believe that they would have to be either deluded or retarded.

[delswal 3,819]

Well Fraz, I've just read the king john bible i.e., the first book of Moses, Genesis 7.

 

And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:

 

And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained, alive and they that were with him in the ark.

 

​Yet history proves lots of civiliations were left unscathed ?

 

You see the bible has as many holes in it, just as your thoughts on evolution. Unless of course those texts are open to interpretation

[shepp 2,285]

Well Fraz, I've just read the king john bible i.e., the first book of Moses, Genesis 7.

 

And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, [/size]and every man:[/size]

 

And every living substance[/size] was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained[/size], alive and they that [/size]were with him in the ark.[/size]

 

​Yet history proves lots of civiliations were left unscathed ?

 

You see the bible has as many holes in it, just as your thoughts on evolution. Unless of course those texts are open to interpretation

 

In my experience when every other tactic fails, they start telling lies.

[Deputy Dog 28]

Ay love, why you acting all funny? Says the mrs to me. I dont know love says I lol. This fooking thread has done my head in. Cheers gentlemen - gnash - seeker - wilf. I think it's safe to say I'm a believer! Hold the horses as

I don't know in what just yet. But I am utterly convinced that this idea we evolved from practically nout is really quite laughable. seems like a lot of you lads on here are very ignorant. There is a fook load of information out there. Been looking up DNA weekend, there's all the proof you need of a god and intelligent design lads. Look it up. I can't declare I know anything about which god, I'm curious to hear from FM and FD as to why they believe in god of bible and not some other god. Enlighten me lads lol. Excuse my grammar. Trying me best to sound all coherent lol

[*The*Field*Marshall* 674]

In response to Deputy Dogs question "how old is the earth" let me start by saying the age of the earth is fundamentally neither here or there, its a secondary issue, or point is that the earth was created by intelligent mind and not by random chaos. Answering your question, only God knows, literally. No one can say how old the earth, no one was there when it was created. There are some that believe each day of Genesis represents a million years or so and that God used evolution to bring about the various species etc. . I personally have a problem with that, in that we cannot take the bible as written in one place, where do we draw the line, excluding prophetical books of course. For a number of reasons, including biblical authority, Im inclined to believe that the earth is no where near as old as some think.

 

Responding (uninvited) to WILF' post, an interesting one. "evolution has never been scientifically proven, same as creation and the bible has never been proven"

 

Not to criticise your post, however it's a little bit out (for me) whilst your absolutely right that saying that evolution has never been scenically proven. But saying that the bible hasn't been proven? Well which part? Much of the bible is historically accurate, proven, the bible is littered with names of people and places that have been externally verified. And look at account of creation "God made the beasts of the earth after their kind, and the cattle after their kind, and everything that creeps on the ground after its kind; and God saw that it was good." Notice that He never said that one would evolve into another. So we see that what God said there is actually proven, we see it everyday.

 

The fundemental difference between a Christian and atheist is one can claim that God has enlightened their hearts, revealed the truth to their minds via transcendent intervention, having a revelation of the things of past via the bible. We can say "we weren't there, but we know someone who was!" What can the atheist say? Listen fellas, give me one account of how the world come to be that doesn't make you think at some point "really" ? But with God All things are possible.

 

Most of the other stuff on this thread is hardly worth addressing, a lot of you lads are so far up the shoot there's no hope! Haha. "Why didn't the egyptians record the story of Naoh haha they weren't around at the time! That said, look up there account of the crossing of the Red Sea, fascinating.

 

Boys, bear in mind, if you believed God made the sun, moon and stars, earth and everything in it, what trouble would he have getting a few animals on a boat and keeping it afloat? Very little I would have thought.

 

Like I said, we all start with our own view point and interpret everything we see via what we already presume to be true.

[*The*Field*Marshall* 674]

DD never seen that last post. I'll drop you a pm tomorrow night, there's no short answer that haha. Cheers all

[General lee 979]

Good post sensible and makes sense

[shepp 2,285]

Ay love, why you acting all funny? Says the mrs to me. I dont know love says I lol. This fooking thread has done my head in. Cheers gentlemen - gnash - seeker - wilf. I think it's safe to say I'm a believer! Hold the horses as

I don't know in what just yet. But I am utterly convinced that this idea we evolved from practically nout is really quite laughable. seems like a lot of you lads on here are very ignorant. There is a fook load of information out there. Been looking up DNA weekend, there's all the proof you need of a god and intelligent design lads. Look it up. I can't declare I know anything about which god, I'm curious to hear from FM and FD as to why they believe in god of bible and not some other god. Enlighten me lads lol. Excuse my grammar. Trying me best to sound all coherent lol

I think most of us are not dispelling the possibility of a god, what I think we are rubbishing is the idea that in the modern world that anybody can seriously believe the bible literally.

People living to 800 years old, world being 6,000 years old, Noah loading two of every animal on the planet into a boat.

Maybe there was intelligent design, but that may have been a starting point, and an overseeing on the way.

[Tiercel 6,986]

As far as I have read on this thread the only person that has said we evolved from a rock is Fraz. No one else that I can remember has stated the origin of evolution. Although I am willing to be corrected on that.

 

Although it pains me to say this Wilf is right, we will never really KNOW, but that should not stop you believing what makes you feel a better person.

 

The problem I have with religions is that there are so many and they all think theirs is the true religion. Now they all cannot be right. Can they?

 

TC

[gnasher16 31,499]

In response to Deputy Dogs question "how old is the earth" let me start by saying the age of the earth is fundamentally neither here or there, its a secondary issue, or point is that the earth was created by intelligent mind and not by random chaos. Answering your question, only God knows, literally. No one can say how old the earth, no one was there when it was created. There are some that believe each day of Genesis represents a million years or so and that God used evolution to bring about the various species etc. . I personally have a problem with that, in that we cannot take the bible as written in one place, where do we draw the line, excluding prophetical books of course. For a number of reasons, including biblical authority, Im inclined to believe that the earth is no where near as old as some think.

 

Responding (uninvited) to WILF' post, an interesting one. "evolution has never been scientifically proven, same as creation and the bible has never been proven"

 

Not to criticise your post, however it's a little bit out (for me) whilst your absolutely right that saying that evolution has never been scenically proven. But saying that the bible hasn't been proven? Well which part? Much of the bible is historically accurate, proven, the bible is littered with names of people and places that have been externally verified. And look at account of creation "God made the beasts of the earth after their kind, and the cattle after their kind, and everything that creeps on the ground after its kind; and God saw that it was good." Notice that He never said that one would evolve into another. So we see that what God said there is actually proven, we see it everyday.

 

The fundemental difference between a Christian and atheist is one can claim that God has enlightened their hearts, revealed the truth to their minds via transcendent intervention, having a revelation of the things of past via the bible. We can say "we weren't there, but we know someone who was!" What can the atheist say? Listen fellas, give me one account of how the world come to be that doesn't make you think at some point "really" ? But with God All things are possible.

 

Most of the other stuff on this thread is hardly worth addressing, a lot of you lads are so far up the shoot there's no hope! Haha. "Why didn't the egyptians record the story of Naoh haha they weren't around at the time! That said, look up there account of the crossing of the Red Sea, fascinating.

 

Boys, bear in mind, if you believed God made the sun, moon and stars, earth and everything in it, what trouble would he have getting a few animals on a boat and keeping it afloat? Very little I would have thought.

 

Like I said, we all start with our own view point and interpret everything we see via what we already presume to be true.

 

Thats what fascinates me about reading this chaps posts is you know you are reading a mans personal understanding of truth rather than some copy and pasted article passed off as factual opinion !.......So refreshing to read common sense easy to understand simple thoughts thankyou Mr Field Marshall.

Edited September 8, 2014 by gnasher16

[shepp 2,285]

In response to Deputy Dogs question "how old is the earth" let me start by saying the age of the earth is fundamentally neither here or there, its a secondary issue, or point is that the earth was created by intelligent mind and not by random chaos. Answering your question, only God knows, literally. No one can say how old the earth, no one was there when it was created. There are some that believe each day of Genesis represents a million years or so and that God used evolution to bring about the various species etc. . I personally have a problem with that, in that we cannot take the bible as written in one place, where do we draw the line, excluding prophetical books of course. For a number of reasons, including biblical authority, Im inclined to believe that the earth is no where near as old as some think.

Responding (uninvited) to WILF' post, an interesting one. "evolution has never been scientifically proven, same as creation and the bible has never been proven"

Not to criticise your post, however it's a little bit out (for me) whilst your absolutely right that saying that evolution has never been scenically proven. But saying that the bible hasn't been proven? Well which part? Much of the bible is historically accurate, proven, the bible is littered with names of people and places that have been externally verified. And look at account of creation "God made the beasts of the earth after their kind, and the cattle after their kind, and everything that creeps on the ground after its kind; and God saw that it was good." Notice that He never said that one would evolve into another. So we see that what God said there is actually proven, we see it everyday.

The fundemental difference between a Christian and atheist is one can claim that God has enlightened their hearts, revealed the truth to their minds via transcendent intervention, having a revelation of the things of past via the bible. We can say "we weren't there, but we know someone who was!" What can the atheist say? Listen fellas, give me one account of how the world come to be that doesn't make you think at some point "really" ? But with God All things are possible.

Most of the other stuff on this thread is hardly worth addressing, a lot of you lads are so far up the shoot there's no hope! Haha. "Why didn't the egyptians record the story of Naoh haha they weren't around at the time! That said, look up there account of the crossing of the Red Sea, fascinating.

Boys, bear in mind, if you believed God made the sun, moon and stars, earth and everything in it, what trouble would he have getting a few animals on a boat and keeping it afloat? Very little I would have thought.

Like I said, we all start with our own view point and interpret everything we see via what we already presume to be true.

 

Thats what fascinates me about reading this chaps posts is you know you are reading a mans personal understanding of truth rather than some copy and pasted article passed off as factual opinion !.......So refreshing to read common sense easy to understand simple thoughts thankyou Mr Field Marshall.[/qhear ]

 

ie saying what you want to hear

[Deputy Dog 28]

Lol and perhaps sayin what you dont want to hear shepp pal. With gnash on that post. Not blowing smoke, the lad seems sound.

Make your reply public FM, I'm not only one who reads your post mate. Clearly. Truth is lads a set about making him look daft with his posts on this. Did some honest digging and dug dirt on my own lol.

Edited September 8, 2014 by Deputy Dog

[gnasher16 31,499]

ie saying what you want to hear

Yes thats right.......dont you want to hear peoples personal opinions and understanding ?.............or are you just happy to read unproven copy and pasted documents off websites you could go and visit yourself ?

Edited September 8, 2014 by gnasher16

[WILF 50,208]

In response to Deputy Dogs question "how old is the earth" let me start by saying the age of the earth is fundamentally neither here or there, its a secondary issue, or point is that the earth was created by intelligent mind and not by random chaos. Answering your question, only God knows, literally. No one can say how old the earth, no one was there when it was created. There are some that believe each day of Genesis represents a million years or so and that God used evolution to bring about the various species etc. . I personally have a problem with that, in that we cannot take the bible as written in one place, where do we draw the line, excluding prophetical books of course. For a number of reasons, including biblical authority, Im inclined to believe that the earth is no where near as old as some think.

Responding (uninvited) to WILF' post, an interesting one. "evolution has never been scientifically proven, same as creation and the bible has never been proven"

Not to criticise your post, however it's a little bit out (for me) whilst your absolutely right that saying that evolution has never been scenically proven. But saying that the bible hasn't been proven? Well which part? Much of the bible is historically accurate, proven, the bible is littered with names of people and places that have been externally verified. And look at account of creation "God made the beasts of the earth after their kind, and the cattle after their kind, and everything that creeps on the ground after its kind; and God saw that it was good." Notice that He never said that one would evolve into another. So we see that what God said there is actually proven, we see it everyday.

The fundemental difference between a Christian and atheist is one can claim that God has enlightened their hearts, revealed the truth to their minds via transcendent intervention, having a revelation of the things of past via the bible. We can say "we weren't there, but we know someone who was!" What can the atheist say? Listen fellas, give me one account of how the world come to be that doesn't make you think at some point "really" ? But with God All things are possible.

Most of the other stuff on this thread is hardly worth addressing, a lot of you lads are so far up the shoot there's no hope! Haha. "Why didn't the egyptians record the story of Naoh haha they weren't around at the time! That said, look up there account of the crossing of the Red Sea, fascinating.

Boys, bear in mind, if you believed God made the sun, moon and stars, earth and everything in it, what trouble would he have getting a few animals on a boat and keeping it afloat? Very little I would have thought.

Like I said, we all start with our own view point and interpret everything we see via what we already presume to be true.

Fair play mate, I made the comment more for the benefit of the folk that seem to be saying everything scientific is factual and everything from the bible is "a story"......when none have been scientifically proven (although one is a documented account)

 

Myself, I see something greater than human beings manifest itself to me almost every day in one shape or form.

I sense there is something more going on, and I have always trusted my senses so that's good enough for me.

 

tiercel, when you look up close, all the major religions of the world are not that different fundamentally........they have so many of the important things in common that to me it's beyond coincidence.

 

My own belief is that religion is about so much more than men.......it's about every living thing that is and that has been.....all these things have a direct effect on what will be.

 

Sort of "make you bed and lie on it" type thing.......be that as an individual, a country or a race of people.

 

Good leads you to good and shut leads you to shit.......just like the man said really.