National Service ... Yes Or No ???

[readie 184]

ex sapper myself served a number of yrs,looking at todays dregs out on the streets with there cider,made up weird language they seem to speak i wouldnt want them alongside me.i want people that want to stand by your side alongside myself, squaddies looking after each other.

[neems 2,406]

 

 

 

They don't need to actually become regular soldiers,or go on ops etc

just the basic 12 week phase 1 training that pretty much anyone can pass,it will teach them discipline and if we ever do need them they'll be part trained.

Not really when you look at the percentage of people that fail selection then jack it in.

That's people that want to be there lol

Imagine the idiots that don't want be there and have no interest what's so ever in been a soldier

I'd only give benefits and certain rights to people who passed it,free health care and the right to be housed,child benefit etc.

would also be a good selection for the army,only accept the better ones as regulars and it would be a much fairer way of finding out who'd make good officers too.

I don't know when you left the forces mate but times have changed.

It's not like bad boys army no more.

The recruits have more rights than NCOs now.

As recruits you can complain about section commanders and give them cards.

You get duvets in training ffs.

Now add that shite to a training regiment of a couple 1000 boys n girls that don't want be there and you have got a large waste of money and resources.

The forces can't afford to accommodate what they already have never mind training every dole bird up n down the country.

absolutely mate, need to feck off this PC shite first.

 

 

it would be an investment in our youth imo as much as a branch of the armed forces.

[Born Hunter 17,907]

 

Surely you would just end up with conscript regiments and professional regiments. Much like many other militaries. It would only impede on the effectiveness of our professional regiments if additional funding wasn't provided.

Yeah but then what's the point you will just have regiments that are a waste of time and space.

Of course it's going to be funded who's going to pay for the training costs and funding for these regiments?

Your are talking maybe 250000 more a year?

The training staff and resources needed to start national service would make it a complete waste of time.

 

 

You said it'd f**k our professional military, I was simply pointing out that it wouldn't if the funding came from a separate pot.

 

The point behind it would not be to benefit the tactical goals of the miltary but to benefit society more broadly and also strategically give the miltary options having a combat trained population to call on if necessary.

[Themoocher 231]

ex sapper myself served a number of yrs,looking at todays dregs out on the streets with there cider,made up weird language they seem to speak i wouldnt want them alongside me.i want people that want to stand by your side alongside myself, squaddies looking after each other.

Putting a 17 year auld piss head or junkie on ranges.

Or asking someone to supervise the clowns.

Just spells disaster to me.

[Themoocher 231]

 

 

Surely you would just end up with conscript regiments and professional regiments. Much like many other militaries. It would only impede on the effectiveness of our professional regiments if additional funding wasn't provided.

 

Yeah but then what's the point you will just have regiments that are a waste of time and space.

Of course it's going to be funded who's going to pay for the training costs and funding for these regiments?

Your are talking maybe 250000 more a year?

The training staff and resources needed to start national service would make it a complete waste of time.

You said it'd f**k our professional military, I was simply pointing out that it wouldn't if the funding came from a separate pot.

 

The point behind it would not be to benefit the tactical goals of the miltary but to benefit society more broadly and also strategically give the miltary options having a combat trained population to call on if necessary.

But if you wouldn't want them mixing with troops in camp in the uk.

Would you really ever call the f****n useless fookers up?

I says it's a complete waste of time and resources.

You would need a training camp in every town.

If you want your kid to learn discipline then send them to the cadets or scouts.

[clipo 871]

 

 

 

 

 

NO!

fair play

I also think no , in the old day's kids didn't know shit from beans and going to war was looked at as going on a jolly . Nowadays kids are street wise even if some are lazy barstools I don't think it would be a good idea . If I was younger and had to do it and I had some cnut on my case shouting and bawling in my ear ,the first day I had with a live round in the spout he wouldn't be shouting and bawling anymore. Maybe this day and age there would be a lot more thinking the same way . If you sign up you kind of know what's coming so isn't so much of a shock good luck to any lad signing up they have my respect

I doubt very much you would murder somebody because they had shouted at you mate ........

(deepcut barracks) I think I would ..

Recruits didn't shoot nco's in deepcut it was alleged that nco's had shot recruits and that it wasn't suicide ... Anyway that's beside the point ... If you had the lack of mental stability that would mean you would kill somebody for shouting at you I dare say you would be in jail or a secure hospital by now ........

I didn't just mean the shouting but bullying in general

 

you just reminded me of private pyle........

 

[TUFFTY 1,484]

Bring back national service?

YES YES YES

[scothunter 12,609]

To me it's the choice thing.

Some lad who sticks in through all his schooling cause he is determined to be a surgeon, computer designer , or open his own window cleaning business!

 

Why should he " waste" x amount of months , years whatever it is. In something he has no wish to be in.

 

Just holding the lad back.

 

How long would it be before the politicians and the über rich , got thier own kids out of it. With some pushed through bullshit legislation.

 

Never happen anyway political suicide for any party who had that in thier manifesto .

[Tiercel 6,986]

I only read as far as page two, and to me most of the replies optimised every thing that is wrong with this country. Most of the problems with the youth of this country is no motivation, a lot do not have the first idea that there is life beyond the dole. To be honest I think they sell themselves short, because they have never had to be responsible for themselves, they do not know what they are actually worth.

 

Give most of them some self discipline and a feeling of worth and it would be a totally different story. So I would say yes.

 

TC

[Themoocher 231]

To me it's the choice thing.

Some lad who sticks in through all his schooling cause he is determined to be a surgeon, computer designer , or open his own window cleaning business!

Why should he " waste" x amount of months , years whatever it is. In something he has no wish to be in.

Just holding the lad back.

How long would it be before the politicians and the über rich , got thier own kids out of it. With some pushed through bullshit legislation.

Never happen anyway political suicide for any party who had that in thier manifesto .

It was always like that anyways.

Uni kids and rich never done national service.

[Rabbit Hunter 6,613]

I think its totally different now, too many foreigners and immigrants in this country nowadays. Why risk your life for the country when all them fuckers will be left here to do as they please.

[PIL 7]

 

 

 

 

 

 

NO!

 

fair play

I also think no , in the old day's kids didn't know shit from beans and going to war was looked at as going on a jolly . Nowadays kids are street wise even if some are lazy barstools I don't think it would be a good idea . If I was younger and had to do it and I had some cnut on my case shouting and bawling in my ear ,the first day I had with a live round in the spout he wouldn't be shouting and bawling anymore. Maybe this day and age there would be a lot more thinking the same way . If you sign up you kind of know what's coming so isn't so much of a shock good luck to any lad signing up they have my respect

I doubt very much you would murder somebody because they had shouted at you mate ........

(deepcut barracks) I think I would ..

Recruits didn't shoot nco's in deepcut it was alleged that nco's had shot recruits and that it wasn't suicide ... Anyway that's beside the point ... If you had the lack of mental stability that would mean you would kill somebody for shouting at you I dare say you would be in jail or a secure hospital by now ........

I didn't just mean the shouting but bullying in general

bullying(as you call it) weeds out those who will not be accepted or who those who are not 100% committed. old school yes, but proven in history.

All well and good if you sign up voluntarily but not if you don't want to be there in the first place

[socks 32,253]

Nobody is suggesting that we should take the dregs of society and try and turn them into a fit fighting machine to protect the country that's not what national service is about ... As has been said we could follow Germany's example with them given the choice of military service or the health service ... It would get them off the streets teach them some manners some self worth and motivation and at the end of the term of service hopefully turn out some well presented self motivated young people ready to face life ... We all know that nurses are worked off their arses ... What a relief it would be for them to have a handful of youngsters on each ward to help with jobs that could free up nurses so they can actually nurse ... Do Germany have the youth problems we have ... No ... Is their crime rate lower ... Yes .... Is their economy booming ... Yes ..... National service doesn't seem to have done that country any problems ...........

[PIL 7]

Nobody is suggesting that we should take the dregs of society and try and turn them into a fit fighting machine to protect the country that's not what national service is about ... As has been said we could follow Germany's example with them given the choice of military service or the health service ... It would get them off the streets teach them some manners some self worth and motivation and at the end of the term of service hopefully turn out some well presented self motivated young people ready to face life ... We all know that nurses are worked off their arses ... What a relief it would be for them to have a handful of youngsters on each ward to help with jobs that could free up nurses so they can actually nurse ... Do Germany have the youth problems we have ... No ... Is their crime rate lower ... Yes .... Is their economy booming ... Yes ..... National service doesn't seem to have done that country any problems ...........

I didn't see any manners when I last went on holiday abroad the dirty krauts had put there towels over the best placed Sun bed at our hotel the night before :laugh: they were not best pleased when they went down and see them at the bottom of the pool

[socks 32,253]

 

Nobody is suggesting that we should take the dregs of society and try and turn them into a fit fighting machine to protect the country that's not what national service is about ... As has been said we could follow Germany's example with them given the choice of military service or the health service ... It would get them off the streets teach them some manners some self worth and motivation and at the end of the term of service hopefully turn out some well presented self motivated young people ready to face life ... We all know that nurses are worked off their arses ... What a relief it would be for them to have a handful of youngsters on each ward to help with jobs that could free up nurses so they can actually nurse ... Do Germany have the youth problems we have ... No ... Is their crime rate lower ... Yes .... Is their economy booming ... Yes ..... National service doesn't seem to have done that country any problems ...........

I didn't see any manners when I last went on holiday abroad the dirty krauts had put there towels over the best placed Sun bed at our hotel the night before :laugh: they were not best pleased when they went down and see them at the bottom of the pool

That's not being rude that's being efficient and having forward thinking ... That's what national service gave them ...............