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From my understanding the difference between the Lawrence case and the case Gin is talking about is that in the Lawrence case the Macpherson Report directed that an aquitted suspect could be re-tried IF new evidence was found.................whereas in the Dunlop case he actually confessed after getting aquitted first time round and pleaded guilty in a re-trial as well as being done for purgery............so although Dunlop was the first to be convicted ( in 2005 ) it was under different circumstances..........the Lawrence case has been described as " One of the most important moments in the modern history of criminal justice "..................thats the power the so called " ethnic minorities " have in England !!

 

Just leaves you shaking your head doesn't it.

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I agree....however as an Englishman in England i find it a touch disappointing that the thousands of white English men and boys who have been murdered over the years were not deemed important enough t

How do you know he was a nice young lad or killed because of his colour were you there ?......just because someone gets called a black this or a fat that dont mean to say thats the reason they was kil

No it wasnt....it was a murder trial nothing more nothing less........no different to any other murder trial on any day of any week.....well shouldnt have been anyway....but due to dogooding lefty idi

the norris family were 1 of the biggest drug dealers in eltham and ruled the area with fear and violence.

 

Where do people get this stuff?.........what a load of old bollocks........."ruled the area" :laugh: :laugh: .......f**k off mate :laugh: :laugh:

 

Gnasher is bang on the money with this thread.

The powers that be re-engineered the whole justice system to prove what good, non-racist, sympathetic to the ethnic community people they are......utter bollocks and as see through as f**k!

 

There is no way on gods earth that those men got a fair trial this time, they couldnt!!

In the USA, they would have taken that case to another state where no one had ever heard about it in order to get a fair trial.....but you cant do that here.

 

The public never got the whole story on this I reckon, its almost unheard of to just walk across the street and randomly kill someone so I dont beleive for one minute that the Lawrence lad was minding his business, more like he was at it and whoever he was mixed up with wanted to sort him out for some reson or the other.

 

Whatever, in any other decent size country, a good brief would have them lads out in no time by righly claiming that they could not get a fair trial.

 

The only problem this country has with race is all the people who keep telling us that we have a problem!!......its in the interests of the like of Trevor Phillips and his ilk to keep telling us that, it is after all how they make their living ;)

 

If a white dude hits a black dude its race related

If a black dude hits a white dude its because he is deprived and its not his fault

 

Utter bollocks!

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I am currently in my last year of a (Criminal) law Degree (Policing BSc), Personally i think it is a little to late considering the blunders made during the initial enquirers; However this young lad who lost his life has however left behind arguable a legacy that will last for a a long time. Although this does not go any way for the life lost and the fact his killers have been have took so long to be made to pay for there crimes. I hope they go on to make further arrests and give a young mans memory the justice he deserves.

Just a young students thought on a land mark case... Rant over!!! :yes:

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I am currently in my last year of a (Criminal) law Degree (Policing BSc), Personally i think it is a little to late considering the blunders made during the initial enquirers; However this young lad who lost his life has however left behind arguable a legacy that will last for a a long time. Although this does not go any way for the life lost and the fact his killers have been have took so long to be made to pay for there crimes. I hope they go on to make further arrests and give a young mans memory the justice he deserves.

Just a young students thought on a land mark case... Rant over!!! :yes:

 

As a student of law, do you think it was possible for the accused men to get a completly unbiased and fair trial after 18 years of high profile media attention?

After all, with the best will in the world every member of that jury would have had a lot of prior exposure to the media propaganda about the case and so formed (even subconciously) an opinion on the case and the defendants.

 

As far as I am aware there needs to be reasonable doubt, and after 18 years of mixing evidence bags and tampering with the evidence there has to be reasonable doubt right there of cross contamination surely?

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Danny O'Shea 18 from Canning Town chased down by a group of black men and stabbed in the neck and killed, 1 man as been arrested, I wonder if the people involved in the Stephen Lawrence case will push to find the others involved in Danny O'shea's case, I for one doubt it very much.

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The rule book was NOT ripped up for this special case. The double jeopardy law was changed because of a Middlesborough womans fight for justice for her daughter, long before this case.

http://www.cps.gov.u...eleases/155_06/

 

100% Correct.

 

Its only 100 % correct if the 2 cases are 100% the same and they are not.....its like comparing football and rugby,both use a ball and both are sports but thats where the comparisons end.....

Im no expert so im certainly not saying im completely right.....but as many folk know when your backs against the wall you learn the law real quick :D ...admittedly my troublesome days were a long time ago but im pretty sure that a true double jeopardy case means a re-trial of the same crime and the same plea.......which the Lawrence case was,albeit through new evidence......the Dunlop case was NOT the same crime or the same plea......his first trial he pleaded not guilty and was aquitted,the only reason it was re-tried was because he later confessed,therefore had commited purgery ( lied under oath ) which itself is a serious offence even though its rarely prosecuted for......the fact he pleaded guilty and another offence was added means it wasnt a true case of double jeopardy.

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As a student of law, do you think it was possible for the accused men to get a completly unbiased and fair trial after 18 years of high profile media attention?

After all, with the best will in the world every member of that jury would have had a lot of prior exposure to the media propaganda about the case and so formed (even subconciously) an opinion on the case and the defendants.

 

 

Im no law student so im sure the other chap will know more than i do......but i think you,ll find we do have a mickey mouse version of what the yanks call the 6th ammendment...i forget what we call it now......and your right Wilf it certainly wasnt put into force in the Lawrence case.......what also should be taken into account in my opinion is the fact that 16 years ago when they were first tried there was nowhere near the mass frenzy of obssessive " race issues " that there is today......in the last 10 years we as a society have become utterly deranged as regards anything that could be termed " racist "......a foreign footballer has just been fined and banned last week for using the word " negro " totally over the top !.....that wouldnt of happened 20 years ago.......so surely these lads cant be tried in todays times for a crime that happened in yesterdays times and be treated with todays totally over the top punishments......

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As a student of law, do you think it was possible for the accused men to get a completly unbiased and fair trial after 18 years of high profile media attention?

After all, with the best will in the world every member of that jury would have had a lot of prior exposure to the media propaganda about the case and so formed (even subconciously) an opinion on the case and the defendants.

 

 

Im no law student so im sure the other chap will know more than i do......but i think you,ll find we do have a mickey mouse version of what the yanks call the 6th ammendment...i forget what we call it now......and your right Wilf it certainly wasnt put into force in the Lawrence case.......what also should be taken into account in my opinion is the fact that 16 years ago when they were first tried there was nowhere near the mass frenzy of obssessive " race issues " that there is today......in the last 10 years we as a society have become utterly deranged as regards anything that could be termed " racist "......a foreign footballer has just been fined and banned last week for using the word " negro " totally over the top !.....that wouldnt of happened 20 years ago.......so surely these lads cant be tried in todays times for a crime that happened in yesterdays times and be treated with todays totally over the top punishments......

if the police had done there job at the time they might be free by now but they looked the other way. as for racism in football it goes back along way with players getting bananass threw at them even by there own fans.they have been sentenced and now it might be reviewed and increced i dont agree with that bit but i do hope they get the rest of the gang and they do there time.
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wish some folk would show the same ethusasim towards crimes perpertrated by blacks/asians against whites,as they have for this one case. he didnt deserve to die (who does)but lets face it no matter how some groups and press potray him,he wasnt no angel. black power salutes bit of a raciist himself by all accounts.cant help thinking what he got up to and was never caught. they got the conviction.that should be the end of it. pushing for it to be reviwed is making a mockery of the justice system. like gnasher said they have already changed precedence.accept it and stfu.

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All i can add is ANYONE carrying a knife and using it to kill someone deserves to be taken off the streets for life no matter what colour or religion , i lost my 18yr old son through illness and believe me it DESTROYS you inside though you have to keep going on , to lose a child/young family member this way is well i cant find a word strong enough to describe it , and you wouldnt believe how bad this is until you experienced it , so no matter how long it takes or what laws are changed if these where guilty off this crime then i feel they have got off lightly .

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I am currently in my last year of a (Criminal) law Degree (Policing BSc), Personally i think it is a little to late considering the blunders made during the initial enquirers; However this young lad who lost his life has however left behind arguable a legacy that will last for a a long time. Although this does not go any way for the life lost and the fact his killers have been have took so long to be made to pay for there crimes. I hope they go on to make further arrests and give a young mans memory the justice he deserves.

Just a young students thought on a land mark case... Rant over!!! :yes:

JUSTICE AT WHAT PRICE :hmm:
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wish some folk would show the same ethusasim towards crimes perpertrated by blacks/asians against whites,as they have for this one case. he didnt deserve to die (who does)but lets face it no matter how some groups and press potray him,he wasnt no angel. black power salutes bit of a raciist himself by all accounts.cant help thinking what he got up to and was never caught. they got the conviction.that should be the end of it. pushing for it to be reviwed is making a mockery of the justice system. like gnasher said they have already changed precedence.accept it and stfu.

 

So do i mate but not many of the real british folk will speak up for fear of being labelled a racist, You cant do anything in britain anymore as its becoming a complete mix of cultures the majority of which are raping this country and bleeding it dry yet we just sit back and let it happen.

 

you say anything against one of these other cultures you are a racist and will be punished for it yet when other groups are burning poppies and protesting against our british troops what happens to them? Feck all !!

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sorry for your loss lanesra. dont know about england,but its a custodial up here for carrying a blade,regardless of no previous. i agree take a life you need to be punished that goes without saying. this case is a shambles no one can defo pin down what happened that night.

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wish some folk would show the same ethusasim towards crimes perpertrated by blacks/asians against whites,as they have for this one case. he didnt deserve to die (who does)but lets face it no matter how some groups and press potray him,he wasnt no angel. black power salutes bit of a raciist himself by all accounts.cant help thinking what he got up to and was never caught. they got the conviction.that should be the end of it. pushing for it to be reviwed is making a mockery of the justice system. like gnasher said they have already changed precedence.accept it and stfu.

do you have any evidence of the lawarence boy doing a black power salute? or is it just rumours and hearsay?

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